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The entire human race isn't sadistic, though any person can end up being sadistic in the right circumstances. Milgram's experiment didn't show this, it showed people would follow authority and hurt someone, not neccessarily enjoy it. The Stanford prison study shows certain situations create sadistic social roles emergently, not that people spontaneoously become sadistic when left to themselves.
Most of the rest of the examples given are from tv and shows of sorts. These can be cathertic, and are usually very salient. A lot of it is shock value, that attracts wonder and disgust. But it's all a show. If you broaden the term from pleasure from inflicting pain on others to simply pleasure from the pain of others I feel you lose the meaning of the word, and so can attribute it to the whole human race.
I don't feel bad shooting people in the head in fps games, nobody really gets hurt 
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25 Jun 2010, 4:06 am
25 Jun 2010, 4:27 am
Asmodeus wrote:
The entire human race isn't sadistic, though any person can end up being sadistic in the right circumstances. Milgram's experiment didn't show this, it showed people would follow authority and hurt someone, not neccessarily enjoy it. The Stanford prison study shows certain situations create sadistic social roles emergently, not that people spontaneoously become sadistic when left to themselves.
Most of the rest of the examples given are from tv and shows of sorts. These can be cathertic, and are usually very salient. A lot of it is shock value, that attracts wonder and disgust. But it's all a show. If you broaden the term from pleasure from inflicting pain on others to simply pleasure from the pain of others I feel you lose the meaning of the word, and so can attribute it to the whole human race.
I don't feel bad shooting people in the head in fps games, nobody really gets hurt
Most of the rest of the examples given are from tv and shows of sorts. These can be cathertic, and are usually very salient. A lot of it is shock value, that attracts wonder and disgust. But it's all a show. If you broaden the term from pleasure from inflicting pain on others to simply pleasure from the pain of others I feel you lose the meaning of the word, and so can attribute it to the whole human race.
I don't feel bad shooting people in the head in fps games, nobody really gets hurt
Well that means you are a good person, but it doesn't mean you are not sadistic. You are a good person who understands the moral difference between a first person shooter and a real massacre. However even laughing at the pain of pretend characters on the screen is still sadism. You are still laughing at the expense of another person/thing, even if they are not real. I had mentioned above the example of The Road Runner. Even laughing at something where the character doesn't feel any physical pain or psychological harm is still sadistic. The difference is that those are characters made to make people laugh, (watch who framed roger rabbit). There are people who will go further and harm real people for a laugh as well and its terrible that they do, but that is the difference between a good and bad person, moral boundries.
25 Jun 2010, 12:33 pm
countzarroff wrote:
Asmodeus wrote:
The entire human race isn't sadistic, though any person can end up being sadistic in the right circumstances. Milgram's experiment didn't show this, it showed people would follow authority and hurt someone, not neccessarily enjoy it. The Stanford prison study shows certain situations create sadistic social roles emergently, not that people spontaneoously become sadistic when left to themselves.
Most of the rest of the examples given are from tv and shows of sorts. These can be cathertic, and are usually very salient. A lot of it is shock value, that attracts wonder and disgust. But it's all a show. If you broaden the term from pleasure from inflicting pain on others to simply pleasure from the pain of others I feel you lose the meaning of the word, and so can attribute it to the whole human race.
I don't feel bad shooting people in the head in fps games, nobody really gets hurt
Most of the rest of the examples given are from tv and shows of sorts. These can be cathertic, and are usually very salient. A lot of it is shock value, that attracts wonder and disgust. But it's all a show. If you broaden the term from pleasure from inflicting pain on others to simply pleasure from the pain of others I feel you lose the meaning of the word, and so can attribute it to the whole human race.
I don't feel bad shooting people in the head in fps games, nobody really gets hurt
Well that means you are a good person, but it doesn't mean you are not sadistic. You are a good person who understands the moral difference between a first person shooter and a real massacre. However even laughing at the pain of pretend characters on the screen is still sadism. You are still laughing at the expense of another person/thing, even if they are not real. I had mentioned above the example of The Road Runner. Even laughing at something where the character doesn't feel any physical pain or psychological harm is still sadistic. The difference is that those are characters made to make people laugh, (watch who framed roger rabbit). There are people who will go further and harm real people for a laugh as well and its terrible that they do, but that is the difference between a good and bad person, moral boundries.
You appear to be leaving both inflicting pain on others (and pleasure from the pain of others) to inflicting pain on that which is not real with intent. I don't think imaginary or fictional recievers of pain count. This seems to be broadening the term to encompass everyone. It's like saying the whole world is masochistic because everyone has owned up to doing something wrong at some point in their lives and subsequently been punished,; it'd render the word pointless.
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