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06 Jun 2010, 4:24 pm

I do not tend to believe things without evidence, and so do not entertain the concept of undetectable overlords.



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06 Jun 2010, 6:11 pm

dwoolridge wrote:
I want to know if any of yall Belive in god Becuse i do


http://www.godchecker.com/
"We have more Gods than you can shake a stick at. Godchecker's Mythology Encyclopedia currently features over 2,850 deities."

Well, I don't believe in any of those. If I factor in any and every variation of god my brain has ran through, that the question doesn't even make sense and far more variables, I still don't believe in god.



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06 Jun 2010, 6:48 pm

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I do not tend to believe things without evidence, and so do not entertain the concept of undetectable overlords.


Without evidence? OK... So how did you come to that conclusion?



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06 Jun 2010, 7:10 pm

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Why "all of the sudden" the Europeans began to study the world with scientific method instead of philosophical musing? Aliens again?

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Probably not. Given the "Ionian Revolution" i.e. substituting rules and principles in place of arbitrary god-whims, the European development of science was a logical extension. It would have happened somewhere else, if not in Europe.

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Seeing aliens would only affirm people's believe in gods. Isn't the Ionian revolution heading the opposite direction?



I suspect any alien visitors would have disguised themselves to look like locals or at least possible people from the planet.

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06 Jun 2010, 7:40 pm

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I believes the ceiling cat is watching over all of us including god.

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06 Jun 2010, 7:51 pm

Do you believe in GOD?
YES!



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06 Jun 2010, 9:07 pm

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You keep refuting his argument with what's basically just your opinion. :? "That's silly to me because it sounds silly and reminds me of magic, therefore it's absurd." While I find his idea implausible, it's nowhere near as ridiculous as saying it came about because of magic.

Umm..... the "silly" part isn't a refutation. One must recognize that not all things said in response are strictly deductive arguments for something.

Actually, ruveyn's idea is pretty close to being that ridiculous. Perhaps one could create a counter-argument, but aliens really do seem a grossly improbable source of change, and positing them really seems no better than positing a race of wizards. (your statement is old, and I've expanded on my anti-UFO stance elsewhere)



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06 Jun 2010, 10:38 pm

Yes, I believe that there is something that wants to be deemed a God. :shrug:

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If humans are the sole reason for war, bigotry, and ignorance, then do you really want the credit?


I kind of feel like saying "yes we are" to war and bigotry.



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07 Jun 2010, 2:53 am

Notice how people asking if you believe in god never define what god is?
They tend to not know.

What they are asking is nonsense if they and you do not know what the word means.



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07 Jun 2010, 4:05 am

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07 Jun 2010, 4:38 am

First of all the question was do you belive in god? which god do you mean? Zeus, Enlil,
Nemesis

And no i think the human race should have advanced by now from the days when we blamed gods for lighting and why it rained but we can't move forward if parents keep on teaching their children that magic is real and that theres some bloke who's a ghost and a god who can't be killed and he can walk on water all their lives.

So no i don't belive in magic "God"


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07 Jun 2010, 9:59 am

AngelRho wrote:
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I do not tend to believe things without evidence, and so do not entertain the concept of undetectable overlords.


Without evidence? OK... So how did you come to that conclusion?

By realising there isn't any evidence of undetectable overlords other than anecdotal evidence that can be entirely explained to be normal psychological phenomena.



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07 Jun 2010, 10:03 am

Asmodeus wrote:
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I do not tend to believe things without evidence, and so do not entertain the concept of undetectable overlords.


Without evidence? OK... So how did you come to that conclusion?

By realising there isn't any evidence of undetectable overlords other than anecdotal evidence that can be entirely explained to be normal psychological phenomena.


I see. And what evidence do you have of psychological phenomena?



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07 Jun 2010, 10:11 am

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I suspect any alien visitors would have disguised themselves to look like locals or at least possible people from the planet.

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Given the idea of the Greek natural philosophers is no different from astrology, what do you think the aliens have done? You may well say that the aliens came a billion years ago and left without trace.



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07 Jun 2010, 10:19 am

AngelRho wrote:
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I do not tend to believe things without evidence, and so do not entertain the concept of undetectable overlords.


Without evidence? OK... So how did you come to that conclusion?

By realising there isn't any evidence of undetectable overlords other than anecdotal evidence that can be entirely explained to be normal psychological phenomena.


I see. And what evidence do you have of psychological phenomena?


A lot. We have well documented observation on people with mental illness, cult members, etc.



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07 Jun 2010, 11:57 am

01001011 wrote:
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AngelRho wrote:
Asmodeus wrote:
I do not tend to believe things without evidence, and so do not entertain the concept of undetectable overlords.


Without evidence? OK... So how did you come to that conclusion?

By realising there isn't any evidence of undetectable overlords other than anecdotal evidence that can be entirely explained to be normal psychological phenomena.


I see. And what evidence do you have of psychological phenomena?


A lot. We have well documented observation on people with mental illness, cult members, etc.


Indeed? Well documented observation?

Then you ought to reconsider your position. These "undetectable overlords" you speak of keep showing up in documents throughout the present as well as the ancient world. They are widely distributed, in fact, and you may recognize some of them: The Holy Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Koran, Confucian proverbs, the teachings of Buddha, the Vedas. Many religions that no longer enjoy widespread recognition are well-documented, such as the various Greek and Roman cults and their associated mythologies, though in written form are much less reliable than Judeo-Christian texts. There are numerous texts on New Age, Wicca, neo-paganism, and so forth, even though these religions are much less organized.

Not only are these ideas widely disseminated, they are also widely BELIEVED. And those beliefs are also observed and well-documented in practice. They, in fact, appear to be "normal psychological phenomena."