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We'll try pinching someone else's islands basically because they're near.



The way Britain treated the people of Hong Kong was disgraceful. Essentially they shut them out of the UK for their own purposes without offering them citizenship. Leaving six million people to living under a totalitarian dictatorship wasn't our finest hour.



Huh? It's still a very long way from the UK or any of the other populous UK overseas territories for that matter.

Are churches being sued now for other forms of discrimination in wedding people? Is a church obligated to marry a satanist couple if they don't want to?

The stance of many Christian churches on homosexuality is appalling, but this doesn't mean they're being prohibited from teaching retrograde ideas—as long as they don't take it to violence or forcing others out of their civil rights.

Evidence please?


Curious tactic of bigots in recent years, to claim that they are the ones being oppressed. The gay rights movement wants equal legal rights, and they want legal protection against the discrimination they often face. In what way does that infringe on your rights?

And frankly, whether you approve of someone else's lifestyle or not is irrelevant. Someone else's civil liberties are not dependent on your "approval."


Not likely. Religious organizations are legally separate from the state, and as long as there is no outright abuse, the state will not touch a church. Churches can perfectly legally refuse to marry interracial couples, but I imagine most of them have decided that they don't want to give the impression of being racists. If a large number of churches ever accept gay marriage, it will be for essentially the same reason: not state coercion, but merely responding to society's changing demands.


Great, don't hang out with gays if you don't like them. No one really gives a damn. Continue thinking gays are sub-human or whatever. Again, no one really gives a damn. It only becomes an issue when you seek to deny legal rights to other people. At that point, people are going to respond negatively to you. That is not oppression or lack of tolerance. That is protecting others from a potential oppressor.

I don't care what they do or what rights they have or want, but I should also have the right to publicly speak out against their lifestyle as being immoral without being punished for my expression of my convictions that their actions are sinful. Suppression of their "right" to screw whatever they find attractive is not my goal as much as it would be to be able to say, "Yuck, you people are gross, and stop trying to convince me that you're not gross". Be as homo as you like, but keep the TMI Turkeys to yourselves and your lovers.

You realise that "gross" and "sinful" are distinct things, yes? Also, you may not want to suppress their rights to sexual freedom, but do you not realise that by constantly declaiming how gross and sinful they are, you merely propagate suppression?

Fine, you can say whatever you want about them. I'm not opposed to that; I think my stance on censorship is pretty well established. But likewise, don't be surprised when other people then turn on you and criticize you for your anti-gay views.

They can say whatever they like, but if they tell me to shut up then I can equally say the same to them to the same magnitude.

^ you can have your personal views I have no problem with that, but if you support restricted legal rights for homosexuals compared to heterosexuals (which I suspect you do) then your values and morals have a stench about them that I find repugnant.

It's nice to know that I'm gross. It's nice to know that I'm sinful. It's nice to know that I'm undemocratic. It's nice to know that God hates me. It's nice to know that I don't care about the future of the human race.

I might as well kill myself.

In fact, that's what I'm going to do right now. This thread has inspired me to take a knife to my wrists, to spill my wretched homosexual blood all over the kitchen floor. Indeed, the world would be a better place without me. I'm just a lesbian - a sinful, undemocratic, evolutionarily backward lesbian who deserves to die.

I'm sure that my suicide will be taken as a sign of triumph, as a shout of, "Look! I told you they were mentally ill!" And that's great. I'm glad that everyone will find a way to live with themselves.



I am the weakest link! Goodbye!

No doubt you are upset about homosexuals being mistreated and deserve to be angry about not having equal legal rights but why do you care about the opinions of grossly insensitive and stupid people? They are what they are. Ignore them unless they restrict your life in some way.

I hope you recognize that this isn't a socially appropriate post. Not that I really care, but suicidal comments are often frowned upon, particularly because some people are that way, as in suicidal. I am not sure if that includes you.

Coming from someone who often accuses their oponnents of using fallacies on discussions in the PPR, you claim you want to be able to rely on the yuck factor to justify your case.


Some reactions are expected, and disagreeing with people's lifestyle is different than demonstrating hostile attitudes or interpreted as hostile attitudes towards people that are different, and you should be smart enough to realise that. And, yeah, saying certain people are "gross", it is fully expected to get some reactions from that. So yeah, if they say to you to shut up, because of that, it is because they are reacting towards an invalid (as well as it would be offensive to them) justification, and if you answer with the same magnitud, pretty much, you would be the one who ends up looking bad or in ridicule.

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Opponents have been very successful at painting themselves as victims of suppression of their points of view, and making the "special rights" label stick.

Frankly, it does not bother me that others do not approve of my sexuality. I am perfectly content to have them express their disapproval to their hearts' content--because their freedom to express their disapproval is the same freedom that I have to hold my partner's hand in public, and to demand recognition of our choice of family.

Where are the opponents of inter-racial marriage now, anyway?