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20 Jul 2010, 4:57 am

[quote="Jacoby"

Well, we're sticking it to them tenfold.

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That is not nearly enough.

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20 Jul 2010, 5:24 am

Care of google maps:

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There is lots of shintoism goin' down near pearl harbor. Where are the peals of outrage?


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20 Jul 2010, 6:58 am

I'll stick with addressing the thread title.

Sarah Palin is scorned chiefly because she is more successful as the former Governor of Alaska than Barrack Hussein Obama was as a community organizer and senator.

She was a VP candidate with more executive ability and experience than the presidential candidate on the other side (which I find no end of irony to when she was criticized as too inexperienced to be the VP; who, in essence does nothing unless the president dies or is removed from office).

She spoke common sense (something politicians seem to have great disdain for), and appealed to lots of people across the board.

The demonization was all done to try and tear down her public image.



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20 Jul 2010, 9:23 am

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She was a VP candidate with more executive ability and experience than the presidential candidate on the other side


Care to back up that claim? What's her experience? Managing a state with a population the size of Seattle? Chicago is roughly 400% larger than Alaska in terms of population. It's also much harder to manage a much more densely populated area.

I'm no fan of Obama and I voted against him but your statement is just pure partisan idiocy and why our country is going to crap. Because you'd rather vote for YOUR moron rather than someone who is actually qualified and you'll openly LIE about your moron's qualifications because they're YOUR moron.

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She spoke common sense (something politicians seem to have great disdain for), and appealed to lots of people across the board.


You do realize there's a difference between speaking plainly and speaking common sense, right? Just because her message was spoken in terms that appeals to whites in a populist manner doesn't mean it's common sense: it just means that the white monkeys were teased into hitting the green button.

On the point of her speaking: How in the world is it common sense to talk about seeing Russia from her back yard? She had no dealings with Russia. It's not her job. As governor her interests are within the state and only within the state. International dealings are dealt with directly by the federal government. She may have had some input but there's no real indication that she had any kind of dealings with business regarding Russia. That was more a point to get the white monkeys to hit the green button because they're effectively brainwashed to support anyone who opposes Russia in some form.


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20 Jul 2010, 9:29 am

You do realize that she and her husband were members (and he still is) of a group who supports Alaskan secession from the union, right? That's not exactly the kind of patriot I'd want in charge of the whole country. That's the kind of person who would break up the country to achieve their goals of secession. They've already made it clear that they don't want to be a part of the United States but she wants to be next in line to be president if/when McCain dies? That's very much a cause for concern.


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20 Jul 2010, 11:13 am

Since when is Sarah of the Frozen North an objected of scorn?

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20 Jul 2010, 11:20 am

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She was a VP candidate with more executive ability and experience than the presidential candidate on the other side (which I find no end of irony to when she was criticized as too inexperienced to be the VP; who, in essence does nothing unless the president dies or is removed from office).

I believe a significant part of the objection was that Palin was genuinely unintelligent and uneducated. Lambast me for my ivory tower elitism if you will, but I would prefer to keep simpletons away from power. Obama, as lawyer and college professor, was at the least more aware and informed of the issues he would be facing, and his (albeit brief) experience in the Senate guaranteed that he was familiar with national politics, whereas Palin knew only of minor provincial concerns.

Now, this isn't to say Obama is wonderful or an ideal leader, or that he doesn't have his own serious failings. But to hold up Palin as an acceptable alternative is insane.

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She spoke common sense (something politicians seem to have great disdain for), and appealed to lots of people across the board.

She spoke populist garbage, and appealed to simpletons like herself.

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The demonization was all done to try and tear down her public image.

The demonization was not without basis, and the worst attacks that could ever be made on Palin were simply direct quotes from herself.


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20 Jul 2010, 12:08 pm

The problem with Palin is that there is very little substance behind her. She's shown nothing that makes me believe she knows anything besides fringe hot button issues. Her resigning from the governorship and declining to run for senate ended any remaining interest I had in her.

I'm just hoping Palin doesn't run in 2012. She'll essentially be used by the neocons/establishment republicans to split the Tea Party vote that she has tried to latch herself on. I doubt she could win the nomination but even if she did she'd absolutely no shot in a national election but she could block any real outsider candidate. God help us if Newt Gingrich or Mitt Romney get the nomination too.



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20 Jul 2010, 1:16 pm

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Care of google maps:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source= ... 8&t=h&z=13

There is lots of shintoism goin' down near pearl harbor. Where are the peals of outrage?

As far as I know, ruveyn.


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20 Jul 2010, 1:53 pm

greenblue wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
Care of google maps:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source= ... 8&t=h&z=13

There is lots of shintoism goin' down near pearl harbor. Where are the peals of outrage?

As far as I know, ruveyn.


Well, sure. But when in the last two or three decades have any rogue Shinto extremists killed 3,000+ Americans in a single violent act?



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20 Jul 2010, 3:18 pm

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The demonization was all done to try and tear down her public image.

The demonization was not without basis, and the worst attacks that could ever be made on Palin were simply direct quotes from herself.


Don't forget that infamous "gotcha" question: "What do you read?"


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20 Jul 2010, 3:20 pm

AngelRho wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
Care of google maps:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source= ... 8&t=h&z=13

There is lots of shintoism goin' down near pearl harbor. Where are the peals of outrage?

As far as I know, ruveyn.


Well, sure. But when in the last two or three decades have any rogue Shinto extremists killed 3,000+ Americans in a single violent act?



Do you even know why the Muslims aren't happy with us? Or are you just going to go back into your shell and deny the USA can ever do anything wrong that would bring such blowback upon us?


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20 Jul 2010, 3:29 pm

skafather84 wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:
She was a VP candidate with more executive ability and experience than the presidential candidate on the other side


Care to back up that claim? What's her experience? Managing a state with a population the size of Seattle? Chicago is roughly 400% larger than Alaska in terms of population. It's also much harder to manage a much more densely populated area.

I'm no fan of Obama and I voted against him but your statement is just pure partisan idiocy and why our country is going to crap. Because you'd rather vote for YOUR moron rather than someone who is actually qualified and you'll openly LIE about your moron's qualifications because they're YOUR moron.

zer0netgain wrote:
She spoke common sense (something politicians seem to have great disdain for), and appealed to lots of people across the board.


You do realize there's a difference between speaking plainly and speaking common sense, right? Just because her message was spoken in terms that appeals to whites in a populist manner doesn't mean it's common sense: it just means that the white monkeys were teased into hitting the green button.

On the point of her speaking: How in the world is it common sense to talk about seeing Russia from her back yard? She had no dealings with Russia. It's not her job. As governor her interests are within the state and only within the state. International dealings are dealt with directly by the federal government. She may have had some input but there's no real indication that she had any kind of dealings with business regarding Russia. That was more a point to get the white monkeys to hit the green button because they're effectively brainwashed to support anyone who opposes Russia in some form.


Not to mention the fact that her approval rating, according to polls among 'average' Americans (You know, those imaginary mystical common people that conservatives like to pretend they represent) is like 24% percent or something like that. It's only because the media worships her like she's the second coming of Christ that people actually think she's popular.



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20 Jul 2010, 3:53 pm

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Care to back up that claim? What's her experience? Managing a state with a population the size of Seattle? Chicago is roughly 400% larger than Alaska in terms of population. It's also much harder to manage a much more densely populated area.

I'm no fan of Obama and I voted against him but your statement is just pure partisan idiocy and why our country is going to crap. Because you'd rather vote for YOUR moron rather than someone who is actually qualified and you'll openly LIE about your moron's qualifications because they're YOUR moron.


Sorry. When did Obama manage anything other than a small community action group? Lawyer and College Professor (Orwell's assertion)? Consider these established inconsistencies:

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President Barack Obama, former editor of the Harvard Law Review, is no longer a "lawyer". He surrendered his license back in 2008 possibly to escape charges that he "fibbed" on his bar application.

Michelle Obama "voluntarily surrendered" her law license in 1993.

A senior lecturer is one thing. A fully ranked law professor is another. According to the Chicago Sun-Times, "Obama did NOT 'hold the title' of a University of Chicago law school professor". Barack Obama was NOT a Constitutional Law professor at the University of Chicago.

The University of Chicago released a statement in March, 2008 saying Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) "served as a professor" in the law school, but that is a title Obama, who taught courses there part-time, never held, a spokesman for the school confirmed in 2008.

"He did not hold the title of professor of law," said Marsha Ferziger Nagorsky, an Assistant Dean for Communications and Lecturer in Law at the University of Chicago School of Law.


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On the point of her speaking: How in the world is it common sense to talk about seeing Russia from her back yard? She had no dealings with Russia. It's not her job. As governor her interests are within the state and only within the state.


Not to be harsh, but it was well-established that Palin NEVER made any such statement. That line came from Tina Fay doing a parody of her on Saturday Night Live. Chalk one more up for the mass media/entertainment industry shaping public opinion.



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20 Jul 2010, 4:40 pm

zer0netgain wrote:
Sorry. When did Obama manage anything other than a small community action group? Lawyer and College Professor (Orwell's assertion)? Consider these established inconsistencies:

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President Barack Obama, former editor of the Harvard Law Review, is no longer a "lawyer". He surrendered his license back in 2008 possibly to escape charges that he "fibbed" on his bar application.

Michelle Obama "voluntarily surrendered" her law license in 1993.

A senior lecturer is one thing. A fully ranked law professor is another. According to the Chicago Sun-Times, "Obama did NOT 'hold the title' of a University of Chicago law school professor". Barack Obama was NOT a Constitutional Law professor at the University of Chicago.

The University of Chicago released a statement in March, 2008 saying Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) "served as a professor" in the law school, but that is a title Obama, who taught courses there part-time, never held, a spokesman for the school confirmed in 2008.

"He did not hold the title of professor of law," said Marsha Ferziger Nagorsky, an Assistant Dean for Communications and Lecturer in Law at the University of Chicago School of Law.


Sources?

The difference between lecturer and professor is a mere formality, irrelevant to my claim that it makes him more qualified than Palin. He taught constitutional law at U. Chicago, so he had to be reasonably well versed in legal theory.

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On the point of her speaking: How in the world is it common sense to talk about seeing Russia from her back yard? She had no dealings with Russia. It's not her job. As governor her interests are within the state and only within the state.
Not to be harsh, but it was well-established that Palin NEVER made any such statement. That line came from Tina Fay doing a parody of her on Saturday Night Live. Chalk one more up for the mass media/entertainment industry shaping public opinion.

This is true. Palin's statement was that it was possible to see Russia from land in Alaska. Tina Fey's parody was not so great a distortion, but a lot of people seem to confuse the two (which is understandable: a significant portion of Tina Fey's lines from SNL were verbatim quotes). Skafather's general point still stands though: the proximity of a remote unpopulated region of Alaska to a remote unpopulated region of Russia doesn't give her any foreign policy experience. Did she ever have any serious dealings with the Russian government? If not, she was lying about her foreign policy experience.


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20 Jul 2010, 4:55 pm

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zer0netgain wrote:
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On the point of her speaking: How in the world is it common sense to talk about seeing Russia from her back yard? She had no dealings with Russia. It's not her job. As governor her interests are within the state and only within the state.
Not to be harsh, but it was well-established that Palin NEVER made any such statement. That line came from Tina Fay doing a parody of her on Saturday Night Live. Chalk one more up for the mass media/entertainment industry shaping public opinion.

This is true. Palin's statement was that it was possible to see Russia from land in Alaska. Tina Fey's parody was not so great a distortion, but a lot of people seem to confuse the two (which is understandable: a significant portion of Tina Fey's lines from SNL were verbatim quotes). Skafather's general point still stands though: the proximity of a remote unpopulated region of Alaska to a remote unpopulated region of Russia doesn't give her any foreign policy experience. Did she ever have any serious dealings with the Russian government? If not, she was lying about her foreign policy experience.



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