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27 Jul 2010, 3:22 pm

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I really don't think women should have to resort to pornography, prostitution, and "exotic dancing." It's truly sad.

There are some women that really enjoy doing those things. Annette Schwarz or Maria Ozawa anyone?

Since when is living in fear due to the fact that your pimp is a psychopathic freak considered enjoyable?

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27 Jul 2010, 5:11 pm

Tequila wrote:

AngelRho wrote:

I really don't think women should have to resort to pornography, prostitution, and "exotic dancing." It's truly sad.

There are some women that really enjoy doing those things. Annette Schwarz or Maria Ozawa anyone?

But Maria Ozawa isn't from the west

Anyway, it seems she is famous in the west world, more than in Japan.

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Ozawa's wikipedia page wrote:

During a 2007 interview, Ozawa reported that her interest in the AV industry remains high, and her video cabinet contains nothing but AVs. She makes a good living from the industry, living in a mansion (a high-class apartment) with a US$1,682-per-month rent, and earning a minimum of $8,000 per month.[5] However, while she says that she would quit the industry only if she is forced to do something else, she would try to prevent a friend from beginning work in the AV industry.[5] Ozawa's family and friends are against her chosen profession in spite of her apparent pride in her work. When she brought several of her videos home to show her parents, they refused to watch them and told her to get out.[5]

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28 Jul 2010, 2:20 pm

Giftorcurse wrote:

Tequila wrote:

AngelRho wrote:

I really don't think women should have to resort to pornography, prostitution, and "exotic dancing." It's truly sad.

There are some women that really enjoy doing those things. Annette Schwarz or Maria Ozawa anyone?

Since when is living in fear due to the fact that your pimp is a psychopathic freak considered enjoyable?

You watch too many movies.

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28 Jul 2010, 2:25 pm

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for those who keep saying that, well, we're not as bad as those other guys over there, let me make this clear: not being last in line does not necessarily mean that you're the winner, ok?

Except we are literally the first in line. The society being criticized here IS the best society ever in regards to women both historically , plus it is actually improving. If the best complain people have about this society is porn, then we are actually doing great.

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Another thing: while non-violent porn might not lead to more aggression against women, there is evidence that violent porn does so.

* No, there isn't.
* Non-violent porn is the least popular kind of porn among the western society.

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In addition, porn gives men a false idea of what women want in sex and what women want in a relationship:

This is a false stereotype. Almost every man watches porn, some are jerks, but some aren't. Porn has little to no relation to this.

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29 Jul 2010, 2:16 pm

Wrt. violent porn, there might not be a 1:1 causal relationship, but there is a relationship:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... inrDzsZEIQ

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17441011

http://www.lovesciencemedia.com/love-sc ... peril.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19862768

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/vaw02/mod2-6b.htm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11351835

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10328441

wrt. who's the best, I agree that 'western' culture as a whole is very near the top as far as gender equality goes; however, the United States in specific is not:
2006
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006 ... omen_x.htm
2007
http://www.weforum.org/en/initiatives/g ... /index.htm
2008
http://trendsupdates.com/countries-wher ... 08-report/

In addition, the current topic on this thread is porn; several other points were raised earlier. There's also non-porn related domestic violence, economic inequality, etc.

If you don't think that even non-violent porn gives men unrealistic ideas about what women like, I guess you've never had bad porn sex (read the article I posted earlier).
Ask yourself these questions:
do you think that most or all women will orgasm from vaginal stimulation only?
do you think that most or all women enjoy 'doggy-style' intercourse?
do you think that most or all women enjoy switching positions frequently during the course of sex?
do you think that most or all women get more pleasure the longer the intercourse takes?

if your answer to any of those questions was yes, you have a distorted view of what women like and it probably came from porn.

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29 Jul 2010, 10:32 pm

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No western mothers are burning the breasts off their daughters.

true, but the western world perfected the sexual-based murder. i saw a quote that in 1980, the FBI would get 100 referrals a year of unsolved murder cases with a sexual component (no idea how many more they get now)- and the victims were almost all women.

there is massive amount of research i am still sifting through, but something caught my eye - on a related note, almost all serial killers with a sexual motive believe they are *entitled* to having their sexual needs fulfilled. i believe this is a problem instrinsic to our society - the idea that men have some kind of god-given right to have sexual relations.

these types of murders are way less common in the non-western world.

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30 Jul 2010, 9:04 am

Here is an alternative topic: Islamic Society and the degradation of women.

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30 Jul 2010, 9:35 am

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Here is an alternative topic: Islamic Society and the degradation of women.

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The logic here is that if we can discover a social system worse than ours we can be delighted with the misery our system creates.

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30 Jul 2010, 12:32 pm

hyperlexian wrote:

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No western mothers are burning the breasts off their daughters.

Or they cant be seen them through the signal noise.

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30 Jul 2010, 1:40 pm

Sand wrote:

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Here is an alternative topic: Islamic Society and the degradation of women.

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The logic here is that if we can discover a social system worse than ours we can be delighted with the misery our system creates.

Actually we should not be delighted with flaws in our system. On the other hand our system should not be demonized. There are far worse systems.

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30 Jul 2010, 4:49 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Sand wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Here is an alternative topic: Islamic Society and the degradation of women.

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The logic here is that if we can discover a social system worse than ours we can be delighted with the misery our system creates.

Actually we should not be delighted with flaws in our system. On the other hand our system should not be demonized. There are far worse systems.

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You may believe in demons. I have more confidence in the existence of stupidity and cruelty.

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30 Jul 2010, 8:27 pm

Sand wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Sand wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Here is an alternative topic: Islamic Society and the degradation of women.

ruveyn

The logic here is that if we can discover a social system worse than ours we can be delighted with the misery our system creates.

Actually we should not be delighted with flaws in our system. On the other hand our system should not be demonized. There are far worse systems.

ruveyn

You may believe in demons. I have more confidence in the existence of stupidity and cruelty.

The word "demonized" in this context, does not refer to literal demons. Shame on you for equivocating.

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30 Jul 2010, 9:36 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Sand wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Sand wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Here is an alternative topic: Islamic Society and the degradation of women.

ruveyn

The logic here is that if we can discover a social system worse than ours we can be delighted with the misery our system creates.

Actually we should not be delighted with flaws in our system. On the other hand our system should not be demonized. There are far worse systems.

ruveyn

You may believe in demons. I have more confidence in the existence of stupidity and cruelty.

The word "demonized" in this context, does not refer to literal demons. Shame on you for equivocating.

Shame on you for having no sense of humor.

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31 Jul 2010, 7:14 am

Sand wrote:

Shame on you for having no sense of humor.

This is a forum for Aspies and Auties. You should expect people to take what you read literally.

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31 Jul 2010, 7:49 am

ruveyn wrote:

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Shame on you for having no sense of humor.

This is a forum for Aspies and Auties. You should expect people to take what you read literally.

ruveyn

Would you really take a comment on demons seriously?

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31 Jul 2010, 8:06 am

Sand wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Sand wrote:

Shame on you for having no sense of humor.

This is a forum for Aspies and Auties. You should expect people to take what you read literally.

ruveyn

Would you really take a comment on demons seriously?

I take everything I read and hear literally, at least for starters.

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