Does circumcision cause psychological harm?

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Vexcalibur
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09 Aug 2010, 11:05 pm

n4mwd=>You are trolling. This is just a bunch of BS to get people riled up over nothing. Any time a troll uses the sugar-coated charged word "circumcision" to describe mutilation, you know that he is lying and nothing else he says is true either. Give it up. I'm not playing your game


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11 Aug 2010, 1:58 am

skafather84 wrote:
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Circumcision is a euphemism for genital reduction surgery or genital mutilation, ...


Skafather84=>You are trolling. This is just a bunch of BS to get people riled up over nothing. Any time a troll uses the emotionally charged word "mutilation" to describe circumcision, you know that he is lying and nothing else he says is true either. Give it up. I'm not playing your game.


First, the semantics:

mu·ti·late   [myoot-l-eyt] Show IPA
–verb (used with object), -lat·ed, -lat·ing.
1.
to injure, disfigure, or make imperfect by removing or irreparably damaging parts


Next, it wasn't my wording but the wording of an essay I had read and subsequently copy/pasted here.

Circumcision verily fits the definition of mutilation, however. The penis is mutilated from its original form that 99.9% of every male is born with. It's religious mutilation but it's still mutilation and if the tribes who've seen female circumcision banned and decried as mutilation can handle it, you can handle it too since you're assumedly more civil than them.


What form is the other 0.1% born with?


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11 Aug 2010, 2:06 am

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Foreskin removal lowers the risk of cancer of the glans penis. Do you think this advantage causes psychological damage. Foreskin removal also lowers the risk of AIDS.
... Biased studies. ...


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11 Aug 2010, 2:13 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
n4mwd wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Circumcision is a euphemism for genital reduction surgery or genital mutilation, ...


Skafather84=>You are trolling. This is just a bunch of BS to get people riled up over nothing. Any time a troll uses the emotionally charged word "mutilation" to describe circumcision, you know that he is lying and nothing else he says is true either. Give it up. I'm not playing your game.


First, the semantics:

mu·ti·late   [myoot-l-eyt] Show IPA
–verb (used with object), -lat·ed, -lat·ing.
1.
to injure, disfigure, or make imperfect by removing or irreparably damaging parts


Next, it wasn't my wording but the wording of an essay I had read and subsequently copy/pasted here.

Circumcision verily fits the definition of mutilation, however. The penis is mutilated from its original form that 99.9% of every male is born with. It's religious mutilation but it's still mutilation and if the tribes who've seen female circumcision banned and decried as mutilation can handle it, you can handle it too since you're assumedly more civil than them.


What form is the other 0.1% born with?


It's most likely more than that but I was more implying the cases of mutations or birth defects that results in the genitals not being formed correctly.

Though, I don't think there's ever been a mutation where a baby has been born without the foreskin in such a fashion as how we know a circumcised penis to exist. At least, I haven't heard of such a birth defect.


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12 Aug 2010, 5:48 pm

to say my 0-17 years were extremely unusual would be a gigantic understatement. i was in basic training before i knew i had been 'cut', as the arkansas recruit informed me while in the showers. i did not know what it meant, just like when some guys from chicago were talking about pot, and i say "what's pot'', and they say,"marijuana", and i say, "what's marijuana" and the whole area of guys are rolling on the floor laughing. ignorance, i am your slave. i find out many years after this, while researching for a book ('LOSER') (apt title) that some of the women in the housing project were i was born decided the white boy needed a little trim. my mother, severely manic-depressive, could make no judgement and my father who simply never spoke to me in my life other than to tell me how he despised me would not have cared if they had killed me. so psychological damage due to losing a little skin.....i really don't think so. the damage comes from knowing. the need to fit in is so great in normal humans that all other considerations are rejected. humans have it so easy that it is their need to look for something to b***h about. it is possible i'm so psychologically damaged that this small (ha ha ha) thing eludes me.

i can only wonder what kind of life most people have lead. that circumcision is a "big deal' is simply beyond my capacity to understand.

i actually talked to the woman who wielded the knife. she didn't remember me, of course, she told me ''I'VE DONE DOZENS''.



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13 Aug 2010, 12:31 am

I think that circumcision involves an underlying authoritarianism whereby respect for the bodily integrity of an individual is valued less than the overall concerns of the tribe. I don't know whether it yields less pleasure than not being circumcised, yet I don't think scientists and doctors can know this either.

If there are any benefits to circumcision it should be a choice that a person makes for themselves.



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13 Aug 2010, 12:57 am

Circumcision for a man does not affect the ability to have orgasms, since those are produced in the glans which is unaffected by the procedure. The foreskin's role is primarily to allow for better aiming when urinating. My wife insisted that I be circumcised, and as such I've lived 24 years uncircumcised and about a year now after the surgery. The surgery itself, due to anesthetics, was painless. The stitches though were irritating until they were gone. I've only had sex after being married, so I don't know whether or not sex would have felt better for me or not as being uncircumcised, but my wife seems to like having sex. Also, another benefit of having the foreskin removed is easier ability to clean, which I have noticed. Also, having the area under the crest exposed decreases the growth rate of any anaerobic microorganisms, and as such is also better for sanitation and health.



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13 Aug 2010, 1:48 am

I was born when most male babies were circumcised as a matter of routine.

I resent it! No one asked me if I wanted the end of my penis whacked off. I certainly didn't have that done when my son was born.



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13 Aug 2010, 7:49 am

Removing your finger tips can be done painlessly thanks to anesthetics . Removing your finger tips will also make your hand much easier to clean and as previously mentioned. As mentioned, it should decrease hand infection rates by 10%.


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13 Aug 2010, 7:52 am

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Removing your finger tips can be done painlessly thanks to anesthetics . Removing your finger tips will also make your hand much easier to clean and as previously mentioned. As mentioned, it should decrease hand infection rates by 10%.


Oh yes, that certainly is exactly the same thing. :roll: Good demonstration of word swapping being a vacuous tool of rhetoric alone.



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13 Aug 2010, 2:28 pm

'Keet, you are the MAN!! ! I could never do that. Thankfully, I didn't have to. It was standard practice when I was born, no one even asked. Our pediatrician asked us about our son after he was born, and neither I nor my wife even let him finish the question before we said, in unison, an emphatic "Yes."

Don't knock the word-swapping, though. Substitute the word "toddler" for "fetus" in an abortion argument and see what happens.



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13 Aug 2010, 7:41 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Circumcision for a man does not affect the ability to have orgasms, since those are produced in the glans which is unaffected by the procedure.

The glans from uncircumsized penises are more sensitive to touch than those circumsized.

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Also, another benefit of having the foreskin removed is easier ability to clean, which I have noticed. Also, having the area under the crest exposed decreases the growth rate of any anaerobic microorganisms, and as such is also better for sanitation and health.

well, it seems that in America the preference for circumsized penis is more of an aesthetic thing than anything else nowadays, which could be related to breasts augmentation in women to some degree, and it seems that it is in america that it is the most practiced, unlike Europe, Latin America and parts of Asia, which is uncommon.


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13 Aug 2010, 9:35 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Circumcision for a man does not affect the ability to have orgasms, since those are produced in the glans which is unaffected by the procedure. The foreskin's role is primarily to allow for better aiming when urinating


The glans is supposed to be an internal part of the organ and isn't supposed to be openly exposed like that. It does affect it in the sense of it decreases sensitivity.


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14 Aug 2010, 5:00 am

i was circumsised for medical reasons as a young child, dont care about it at all as i never known any different, i am glad the reduced sensitivity may delay orgasm, as it feels very sensitive anyway.



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14 Aug 2010, 12:34 pm

I was circumcised shortly after birth, and I have not been psychologically affected by it.


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14 Aug 2010, 4:14 pm

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'Keet, you are the MAN!! ! I could never do that. Thankfully, I didn't have to. It was standard practice when I was born, no one even asked. Our pediatrician asked us about our son after he was born, and neither I nor my wife even let him finish the question before we said, in unison, an emphatic "Yes."

Why? Why is so important to circumsize a baby? is it for aesthetics reasons or religious reasons? I mean, I have seen that american conservative christians tend to support the practice more, even though in the NT, Paul indicates that circumsicion was no longer necessary, and I don't buy the "healthy" reasons.

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Don't knock the word-swapping, though. Substitute the word "toddler" for "fetus" in an abortion argument and see what happens.

I think we should circumsize aborted fetuses.


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