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04 Aug 2010, 9:32 pm

Let's light a fire under this discussion.

Considering that how much someone is taxed can depend on their marital status it is the government's prerogative to define what constitutes a legal marriage. Depending on the situation you can save some on your taxes if you are married, particularly if there is disparate levels of income between the spouses. Imagine the tax saving this man (click here) could receive if the government allowed him to call this a legal marriage considering that his spouse almost certainly doesn't earn any income.

Considering that the ritual of marriage is historically a religious ritual I find it ironic that gays would want so badly to be part of a ritual that comes from a group that has oppressed them for so long. So I think it is a fair question to ask that if the love is there why do they really feel the need to be legally married?

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04 Aug 2010, 9:34 pm

Marriage is historically a social institution that was adopted by religion.

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04 Aug 2010, 9:36 pm

GoatOnFire wrote:

How is marriage a religious ritual? Almost all cultures practiced marriage even those that didn't even know what the hate group known as Christianity is! For example Native Americans practiced marriage and they had no idea what Christianity is! Don't you even dare try and say that the word marriage was started by fairy tale believing monsters!

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04 Aug 2010, 9:36 pm

I am against Prop 8 because I really see no reason why two adults shouldn't be able to enter into a marriage. Why should marriage be restricted to a man and a woman? Because tradition dictates it? That's not a good enough reason for me. Besides, marriage has not remained stagnant over the course of human history. It has undergone many revisions. Not only that, but there's not one version of marriage that transcends through all cultures of the world. There are different versions of marriage being practiced throughout the world to this day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Marriage#History

The entire article is worth a read as well.

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04 Aug 2010, 9:36 pm

As I stated earlier, I do believe it was what the people wanted. Calling me a hateful or even evil homophobe does not make YOU look good. I could give less of a rats arse whether or not same sex couples marry. It doesn't affect me, so my input will be minimal. Xenu, I do not appreciate your hatred. Why are you so angry?

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04 Aug 2010, 9:45 pm

Descartes wrote:

I am against Prop 8 because I really see no reason why two adults shouldn't be able to enter into a marriage. Why should marriage be restricted to a man and a woman? Because tradition dictates it? That's not a good enough reason for me. Besides, marriage has not remained stagnant over the course of human history. It has undergone many revisions. Not only that, but the definition of marriage does not transcend through all cultures of the world. There are different versions of marriage being practiced throughout the world to this day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Marriage#History

The entire article is worth a read as well.

I actually voted against this because I don't see why consenting adults should be discriminated against because they were born homosexual. Once, it was illegal for interracial marriages to take place, as that was "tradition" as well. I'm secure enough with my heterosexuality that the thought of marriage equality doesn't threaten me at all.

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04 Aug 2010, 9:46 pm

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My hatred is fueled by
1. Homophobia and hatred shown by various EVIL members on this forum.
2. I just plain don't like liars who can't own up to what they did.

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04 Aug 2010, 9:46 pm

@ Xenu yeah what ever little boy call me a dumb b***h all you want,
and your still a idiot for calling people homophobic :roll: with out having proof that they are.
hey take a look at this link please :arrow: for xenu
feel free to take some tips :wink:

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04 Aug 2010, 9:48 pm

MONIQUEIJ wrote:

@ Xenu yeah what ever little boy call me a dumb b***h all you want,
and your still a idiot for calling people homophobic :roll:

with out having proof that they are.
hey take a look at this link please :arrow:

for xenu
feel free to take some tips :wink:

Check out this thead

enjoy your soon to be coming ban

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt134037.html

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04 Aug 2010, 9:48 pm

Xenu wrote:

GoatOnFire wrote:

That argument becomes far more limp when you consider gay marriage as we know it in this country. You know where a lot of gay wedding ceremonies take place? In a church.

But that wasn't even the main point. So far you're all skirting away from the tax changes that can come with a marriage license. California's already in a budget mess.

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04 Aug 2010, 9:54 pm

GoatOnFire wrote:

That argument becomes far more limp when you consider gay marriage as we know it in this country. You know where a lot of gay wedding ceremonies take place? In a church.

If that's where they want to be married, then what's the problem? I have a friend (who is an atheist) who recently got married in a courthouse. As far as the law is concerned, she is no less married to her husband than those gay couples who were married in a church are married to each other.

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04 Aug 2010, 9:54 pm

Xenu wrote:

Ackman wrote:

My hatred is fueled by
1. Homophobia and hatred shown by various EVIL members on this forum.
2. I just plain don't like liars who can't own up to what they did.

I am not evil Xenu. If you met me in person, you'd see that.

As for #2 I don't know what i did to grant me being called a liar.

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04 Aug 2010, 10:03 pm

Ackman wrote:

Xenu wrote:

Ackman wrote:

My hatred is fueled by
1. Homophobia and hatred shown by various EVIL members on this forum.
2. I just plain don't like liars who can't own up to what they did.

I am not evil Xenu. If you met me in person, you'd see that.

As for #2 I don't know what i did to grant me being called a liar.

Uhm hey guys I am my mom derp!

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04 Aug 2010, 10:25 pm

:roll: Xenu for turning my thread into world war 5 :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

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04 Aug 2010, 10:28 pm

MONIQUEIJ wrote:

:roll: Xenu for turning my thread into world war 5 :roll:

There have only been 2 world wars :roll:

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