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05 Sep 2010, 1:29 pm

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wasnt david a womanizer and basically a manwhore? thats what some christian told me, what i dont understand is why the god of the bible would put up with such a sinful person and seem to kill innocent people for like no reason


David was a shepherd boy turned thug, after he became king.

Here are some words describing King David from Leonard Cohen's song -Halelulyah-

Your faith was strong, but you need proof
You saw her bathing on the roof
Here beauty and the moonlight overthrew ya'
She tied you to her kitchen chair
She broke your throne, She cut your hair
And from your lips she drew the Haleluyah!

King David was a man's man. But his son Solomon outdid him in the womanizing department:

300 wives, 700 concubines.

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05 Sep 2010, 1:43 pm

oh wow i cant even get 1 wife :lol:

i wonder if it was ok with god for him to live so lavishly



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05 Sep 2010, 2:46 pm

ruveyn wrote:
richardbenson wrote:
wasnt david a womanizer and basically a manwhore? thats what some christian told me, what i dont understand is why the god of the bible would put up with such a sinful person and seem to kill innocent people for like no reason


David was a shepherd boy turned thug, after he became king.

Here are some words describing King David from Leonard Cohen's song -Halelulyah-

Your faith was strong, but you need proof
You saw her bathing on the roof
Here beauty and the moonlight overthrew ya'
She tied you to her kitchen chair
She broke your throne, She cut your hair
And from your lips she drew the Haleluyah!

King David was a man's man. But his son Solomon outdid him in the womanizing department:

300 wives, 700 concubines.

ruveyn


Wow, 1000 women altogether. I wonder where he got the time to do all of them.



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05 Sep 2010, 3:09 pm

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oh wow i cant even get 1 wife :lol:

i wonder if it was ok with god for him to live so lavishly


Apparently it was: He was Gods favoured one.


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05 Sep 2010, 3:32 pm

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And the issue with homosexuality within conservative christians, I could say to be ironic somehow, or to say it in another way, unequal treatment, even inside the belief with the assumption that that is true.


I'm not really sure what you mean by this.

Sex being only for procreation.


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05 Sep 2010, 3:36 pm

Jono wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
richardbenson wrote:
wasnt david a womanizer and basically a manwhore? thats what some christian told me, what i dont understand is why the god of the bible would put up with such a sinful person and seem to kill innocent people for like no reason


David was a shepherd boy turned thug, after he became king.

Here are some words describing King David from Leonard Cohen's song -Halelulyah-

Your faith was strong, but you need proof
You saw her bathing on the roof
Here beauty and the moonlight overthrew ya'
She tied you to her kitchen chair
She broke your throne, She cut your hair
And from your lips she drew the Haleluyah!

King David was a man's man. But his son Solomon outdid him in the womanizing department:

300 wives, 700 concubines.

ruveyn


Wow, 1000 women altogether. I wonder where he got the time to do all of them.


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05 Sep 2010, 3:56 pm

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Those sections featuring edicts to stoning of adulterers, infanticide, slavery, and moot details of diet and acceptable clothing are not in line with the morality of modern Christianity.

Should they remove these things to avoid suggesting that they approve?


To what end, or for whose sake? What would be accomplished -- what purpose would be served?


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05 Sep 2010, 4:08 pm

greenblue wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
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And the issue with homosexuality within conservative christians, I could say to be ironic somehow, or to say it in another way, unequal treatment, even inside the belief with the assumption that that is true.


I'm not really sure what you mean by this.

Sex being only for procreation.


I'm still not really sure what you're trying to say.


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05 Sep 2010, 4:30 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Those sections featuring edicts to stoning of adulterers, infanticide, slavery, and moot details of diet and acceptable clothing are not in line with the morality of modern Christianity.

Should they remove these things to avoid suggesting that they approve?


Even if it is to be argued on each point whether this or that be morally acceptable according to today's current standards, it would be unwise to alter any historical documents whatsoever. We already have it so that history textbooks teach in line with current politics, but if you alter historical documents themselves in order to suit the needs of the current desires of a regime or of a populace, then it serves merely to further severe our connection with history, and more so, with integrity also.

Pretty much this. Regardless of how anyone feels about their content, all historical documents are valuable and should be preserved as faithfully as possible.


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05 Sep 2010, 10:04 pm

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Those sections featuring edicts to stoning of adulterers, infanticide, slavery, and moot details of diet and acceptable clothing are not in line with the morality of modern Christianity.

Should they remove these things to avoid suggesting that they approve?


To what end, or for whose sake? What would be accomplished -- what purpose would be served?


It misrepresents the ethos of most adherents of that faith. At times it is used by people as justification for truly reprehensible behavior. You might say they are inclined to that anyway, but the appeal to authority allows certain people to overcome hesitation. Used wrongly, the bible is an instruction manual for sadism.

Overall, of course, I would see faith disappear from the world. At the same time, I dont favour censoring of any documents. The topic was out of character for me: I wanted to see how Christians felt about those passages.

I could have presented the issue a lot more cleanly I see.


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05 Sep 2010, 10:08 pm

How does the Bible misrepresent the majority of Christian denominations?


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05 Sep 2010, 10:26 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
How does the Bible misrepresent the majority of Christian denominations?


Remember what we discussed yesterday?

Daughter rape, incest, adultery, infanticide, murder are all presented in unpunished accounts in the OT. Do Mormons make use of the NT at all? There is awful crap there too.

Do/did you hold these things as acceptable? No, right? So passages of the bible DO misrepresent your sense of justice. They violate your morality.


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05 Sep 2010, 10:44 pm

Fuzzy wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
How does the Bible misrepresent the majority of Christian denominations?


Remember what we discussed yesterday?

Daughter rape, incest, adultery, infanticide, murder are all presented in unpunished accounts in the OT. Do Mormons make use of the NT at all? There is awful crap there too.

Do/did you hold these things as acceptable? No, right? So passages of the bible DO misrepresent your sense of justice. They violate your morality.


Without finding all of the possible references which could be referred to here, Fuzzy, there is one thing to be asked: Which is better, justice or mercy?



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05 Sep 2010, 11:13 pm

Fuzzy wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
How does the Bible misrepresent the majority of Christian denominations?


Remember what we discussed yesterday?

Daughter rape, incest, adultery, infanticide, murder are all presented in unpunished accounts in the OT. Do Mormons make use of the NT at all? There is awful crap there too.

Do/did you hold these things as acceptable? No, right? So passages of the bible DO misrepresent your sense of justice. They violate your morality.


Then there's the New Testament where Jesus condemns it all. It's not the Christians' fault people don't bother to pay attention.


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06 Sep 2010, 1:05 am

Fuzzy wrote:
Daughter rape, incest, adultery, infanticide, murder are all presented in unpunished accounts in the OT ...

Do/did you hold these things as acceptable? No, right? So passages of the bible DO misrepresent your sense of justice. They violate your morality.


I will give you the benefit of my ignorance of your actual knowledge here and not accuse you of spinning excerpts, but those statements are just not true.


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06 Sep 2010, 2:44 am

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Fuzzy wrote:
Daughter rape, incest, adultery, infanticide, murder are all presented in unpunished accounts in the OT ...

Do/did you hold these things as acceptable? No, right? So passages of the bible DO misrepresent your sense of justice. They violate your morality.


I will give you the benefit of my ignorance of your actual knowledge here and not accuse you of spinning excerpts, but those statements are just not true.


Err, my first sentence or the second?


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