Nation Once Again Comes Under Sway Of Pink-Faced Half-Wit

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You're both crazy racists.

That is a badge of honor in this world, where one is expected to conform to being a non-conformist.

The old Irish, Italians and Slavs who so scared the nativists 1 century ago had cultures far more serene and pleasing than what we see today with the "gangster culture.' And the Mafias pale in comparision to what we see today with "50 cent." That is how the current resistance to diversity differs from what you see in the previous alarmists.

Anyway...........

And you don't even know history. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

Awww. Oh really? What specific facts don't I know? What did I state incorrectly? Please don't dodge the question.

Its a common liberal tactic anyway to state that someone "doesn't know history." By this they mean that their opponent apparently did not get properly brainwashed.

It is not worthwhile attempting to have a discussion with someone so determined to be ignorant. Accuse me of liberal elitism if you want; I don't really care what you think of me. You can keep your Jewish conspiracy theories and your silly delusions about previous ethnic conflicts in this country. You disgust me.

Obviously I called you out on the fact that you can not actually state what history I am ignorant of.

Clearly you have nothing more than buzzwords. I figured then after being exposed you'd make some statement about being above such a discussion.

Screaming "racist" is a coward's way of trying to berate someone without engaging someone in a dialogue about what is supposedly so "racist". It is used so often it lacks any meaning. It's a way of telling someone to shut up by suggesting they are guilty of some undefined thought crime. The term "racist" does not differentiate between publicly calling for the extermination of the Jews or simply saying something like "holy crap those Mexican laborers stink" when you are at Home Depot. Both could be called racist by some, but the two comments are worlds apart in motive and they and any other race-related comment that someone disagrees with are lumped together to portray you as something you are not so that others won't like your views. I had to learn this in middle school and luckily I learned not to care about being called a "racist", "bigot", "homophobe", or any other similar label in middle school too. It's sad to see people being cowed by such a meaningless word.

If being called a racist means I had to stick to my values in the face of strong opposition, then I take it as a compliment.

^ Exactly. That was stated perfectly.

The whole ideas of racism and ignorance are artificial constructs. Even calling someone 'ignorant' doesn't specifiy any specific ignorance.

When I was in middle school and high school, it was common ebonics slang for black kids, and white kids who wanted to be black to often casually throw out the phrase "You Ignorant" (of course they used incorrect lazy grammar and substituted 'You' for 'Your.')........

But the point is that even the unaware manipulated youths were using those buzzwords just as a matter of course, as a reaction to the slightest thing that did not please them. Anything that offended them even slightly was "ignorant."

They would also say "You be a hater." That was another one they'd always use whenever anyone dared criticize their primordial lifestyle or just generally crossed them in anyway. They always had such a hair-trigger response to anything they perceived as the slightest provocation. You could never 'step on their turf,' and if you were white, you couldn't even look them in the eye without expecting a huge reaction, as if you were somehow their master trying to reimpose slavery on them......... It was all about gang wars with eachother, and getting even with whites and 'the man,' and just generally causing as much trouble within the system as possible.

Even the teachers who didn't cater to them had only the most superficial control. To the black students, white kids were 2nd class at best to them, and useful only as a drug market or a breeding-farm to provide a harem of white girls to ogle and play grab-ass with.

(btw, most teachers in the school generally indulged all of this nonsense. They were products of the idealistic flower-power era where just a little bit of love would do the trick....... they had 2 separate sets of unofficial rules for white and minority students.)

Of course, if you dared call them out on anything or even suggest you couldn't understand their rudimentary ebonics, then you were a 'hater.'

So, where did you ever develop the impression that "The white, Christian, largely affluent core of society, [...] has historically always been in control, and clings desperately to the status quo because they believe it's the only way to maintain their dominance"? Such has not been my experience, residing in Texas and Minnesota.

You are wrong.

There are two famous cases in Canada that have revolved around Holocaust denial in Canada: Jim Keegstra and Ernst Zundel

Keegstra was prosecuted because he taught a secondary school class that the Holocaust was a fraud and that Jews, as a class of people, had a variety of characteristics.



In short, Keegstra was not prosecuted for his beliefs, he was prosecuted for imposing those beliefs on others, with a clear intent of promoting hatred by those others of an identifiable class.

Ernst Zundel, on the other hand, was never convicted in Canada. He was tried for "spreading false news" under section 181 of the Criminal Code. His first conviction was overturned on procedural grounds. His second conviction, at retrial, was overturned when the Supreme Court of Canada found section 181 to be unconstitutional.

Zundel (who never became a Canadian citizen) overstayed his visa status in the United States, and then, because his permanent residence in Canada had lapsed, made a refugee claim in Canada that was refused. He was made the subject of a security certificate due to his links to neo-Nazi organizations and was deported to Germany, his country of nationality.

You are perfectly free to be a Holocaust denier in Canada. It is when you cross the line into the wilful promotion of hatred that you offend public law.

Scurred silly topic

Pillage People.

The US and us topic

I find it very disheartening that the United States has always been a very Black and White argument, and then organizing into viligilante groups of all stripes. I have often wondered if part of the reason is so many States (50 in all) all vying for their own little patch of Eden.
With many of the laws being so ambiguous the interpretations are bound to be very hairsplitting and numerous. I find this all very confusing. I suppose others have seen this as well. I think this makes for personalities such as Glenn Beck, Charles Coughlin, Louis Ferrakhan, Sarah Palin, Fred Phelps, and the pastor who wanted to burn the Qur'an--these people are very rigid right wing thinkers of various political viewpoints. Even one of these personalities seems to bring out others who are either like them and join their group or there is an equally opposite character/group, and the ensuing result is violence--along with weapons and such.

A sad States of affairs. Hardly United.

Guns and Dope Party

I don't know. Maybe it's a Southern thing, because that has been my experience, living in Georgia for 14 years. My family moved to north Georgia from New Jersey because my mother got transferred from her office job in Manhattan to the branch office in Atlanta. We ended up right in the heart of the Bible Belt. We might as well have been lepers, because that's how we were treated; we weren't affluent, we weren't Southern Baptist (or strongly religious at all), and we weren't Southerners. I never felt accepted in the South, even after moving to Florida to attend college. That's another reason I ultimately moved to BC: to get as far as I could away from the South. Say whatever you will about diversity and tolerance being overrated (and I'm sure you will, Hanotaux), but I have friends here who care about me and accept me for who I am, and I'm not constantly ostracized for being an outsider here-- and those are things I could never say when I lived in the South.

Is Texas not considered part of the South also though? I was born in a suburb of Dallas, and after my dad lost his job at a printing company on the basis of his skillsets becoming obsolete with the use of computer automation of the tasks he did manually, we then moved from a nice town home into a mobile home where my dad lived the last few years of his life working as a journeyman plumber prior to his death by lung cancer in 1999. My birth father wasn't even a Christian until the last months before he died, didn't go to church of any type himself though he was willing to drop my mom, sister and myself off at church. Southern Baptist wasn't so much a popular brand of Christianity in Dallas when I lived there. Of the people who were Christian, most that I met anyway, were either Assembly of God or Nondenominational.

It's true that Texas was part of the Confederacy, and some would consider it part of the South. I think, though, there are some Texans who'd dispute that. It's such a large and diverse state (I wouldn't consider El Paso part of the Deep South, for example), and throughout its history I know a lot of people have considered it it's own entity. After all, it was a sovereign nation, the Republic of Texas, before it was ever part of the United States or the Confederacy, and there are some Texans who feel a stronger connection to Texas itself than to the U.S. or the South.