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Ought the Evil-Whiteman© undergo genocide for Greater-Good™ of all humankind remaining after their elimination?
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16 Oct 2010, 3:39 pm

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In an orbital fortress with an army of an hundred trillion psittacorian pirates, laser cannons, rail guns, and mass drivers to boot. Care to parley or shall I destroy the surface of your planet?


You mean, he lives in some place that's like a gated community?

What's the point in all that protection if the pizza delivery man can't get to the front door?

Sod it, I'll just bump him off next time he comes to the ghetto.



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16 Oct 2010, 3:45 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
In an orbital fortress with an army of an hundred trillion psittacorian pirates, laser cannons, rail guns, and mass drivers to boot. Care to parley or shall I destroy the surface of your planet?


You mean, he lives in some place that's like a gated community?

What's the point in all that protection if the pizza delivery man can't get to the front door?

Sod it, I'll just bump him off next time he comes to the ghetto.


I live in the ghetto, but thank you for displaying your knowledge o great wise one.



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16 Oct 2010, 3:49 pm

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I live in the ghetto, but thank you for displaying your knowledge o great wise one.


You don't have any obligation to answer, but I'll ask anyway; what is wrong with you lately?



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16 Oct 2010, 3:54 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:

I live in the ghetto, but thank you for displaying your knowledge o great wise one.


You don't have any obligation to answer, but I'll ask anyway; what is wrong with you lately?


I'm sick of the variety of socially acceptable racism prevalent today.



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16 Oct 2010, 4:01 pm

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I'm sick of the variety of socially acceptable racism prevalent today.


You mean against whites?

I don't know the situation in the US, but there isn't racism against white people in general over here. There's just a lot of classism against poor whites, of which I am a little guilty, myself.

What have you been prevented from doing because you're white? Other than join some minority special interest group.



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16 Oct 2010, 4:15 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:

I'm sick of the variety of socially acceptable racism prevalent today.


You mean against whites?

I don't know the situation in the US, but there isn't racism against white people in general over here. There's just a lot of classism against poor whites, of which I am a little guilty, myself.

What have you been prevented from doing because you're white? Other than join some minority special interest group.


Getting a job. White Castle hires only black women, Jay's Fish & Co. hires only Muslims, the Subway here hires only Somalis, the Chipotle hires only Mexicans, the Chinese restaurants hire only oriental people and Hispanic people, the local Target hires mainly based upon bra size, Cub is always "not hiring", the local McDonald's has a staff of only black people and Hispanic people. Also, each time trying to apply for health care my wife and I are rejected, we get less food than everyone else at the food shelf, etc. "Equal Opportunity" is the defecation of bovines.



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16 Oct 2010, 4:25 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:

I'm sick of the variety of socially acceptable racism prevalent today.


You mean against whites?

I don't know the situation in the US, but there isn't racism against white people in general over here. There's just a lot of classism against poor whites, of which I am a little guilty, myself.

What have you been prevented from doing because you're white? Other than join some minority special interest group.


Getting a job. White Castle hires only black women, Jay's Fish & Co. hires only Muslims, the Subway here hires only Somalis, the Chipotle hires only Mexicans, the Chinese restaurants hire only oriental people and Hispanic people, the local Target hires mainly based upon bra size, Cub is always "not hiring", the local McDonald's has a staff of only black people and Hispanic people. Also, each time trying to apply for health care my wife and I are rejected, we get less food than everyone else at the food shelf, etc. "Equal Opportunity" is the defecation of bovines.


Is it not possible that you are simply unsuited to the food service industry?


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16 Oct 2010, 4:25 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Getting a job. White Castle hires only black women, Jay's Fish & Co. hires only Muslims, the Subway here hires only Somalis, the Chipotle hires only Mexicans, the Chinese restaurants hire only oriental people and Hispanic people, the local Target hires mainly based upon bra size, Cub is always "not hiring", the local McDonald's has a staff of only black people and Hispanic people. Also, each time trying to apply for health care my wife and I are rejected, we get less food than everyone else at the food shelf, etc. "Equal Opportunity" is the defecation of bovines.


Do you think they only hire minorities on principle, or do you think it's because minorities apply for those jobs more often than white people do? You could say the same about professions (like the police or local government) that are overwhelmingly white - more white people want to be police. They'd love to recruit more minority officers, but they don't apply.

However, that manager you mentioned at McDonald's does sound out of line.

I don't know enough about the healthcare situation to comment. I also don't know what you mean by the food shelf.



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16 Oct 2010, 4:40 pm

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Is it not possible that you are simply unsuited to the food service industry?


I have previously excelled at it and outperformed people who have been working in it their entire lives. So, the answer to your question is no.



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16 Oct 2010, 4:44 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Is it not possible that you are simply unsuited to the food service industry?


I have previously excelled at it and outperformed people who have been working in it their entire lives. So, the answer to your question is no.


Over-qualified then? Many places won't hire people in low level jobs who are "too good."


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16 Oct 2010, 4:52 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Getting a job. White Castle hires only black women, Jay's Fish & Co. hires only Muslims, the Subway here hires only Somalis, the Chipotle hires only Mexicans, the Chinese restaurants hire only oriental people and Hispanic people, the local Target hires mainly based upon bra size, Cub is always "not hiring", the local McDonald's has a staff of only black people and Hispanic people. Also, each time trying to apply for health care my wife and I are rejected, we get less food than everyone else at the food shelf, etc. "Equal Opportunity" is the defecation of bovines.


Do you think they only hire minorities on principle, or do you think it's because minorities apply for those jobs more often than white people do? You could say the same about professions (like the police or local government) that are overwhelmingly white - more white people want to be police. They'd love to recruit more minority officers, but they don't apply.

However, that manager you mentioned at McDonald's does sound out of line.

I don't know enough about the healthcare situation to comment. I also don't know what you mean by the food shelf.


I think they hire minorities to get taxation discounts primarily, although secondarily there may be oppositional racism involved as per my previous shift manager. It does seem like there are more white dudes in the police force than white gals or minorities of either gender, however they also have a tendency to hire military veterans who otherwise can't find work. Women seem to have an easier time finding work than men do, which I think might be due to aesthetic preference and possibly desire not to be labeled as a misogynist™ if managers were to hire too many men. As per the whole qualification© argument, I think that given a random distribution of men and women of all shades of melanin that you'd get the same basic ability to do the work required in a job. I do not consider managers to be above preferentially treating those they arbitrarily love and discriminating against those they arbitrarily hate, and with the current arrangement in the U.S. where it is acceptable to display racist attitudes against the Evil-Racist-Whiteman© it just is Good-Business™ to "go with the flow"©.

BTW a food shelf is an office where you are allowed to visit once a month, sit in the waiting room, and leave with food after an interview.



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16 Oct 2010, 4:58 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Is it not possible that you are simply unsuited to the food service industry?


I have previously excelled at it and outperformed people who have been working in it their entire lives. So, the answer to your question is no.


Over-qualified then? Many places won't hire people in low level jobs who are "too good."


Actually, over-qualified would be having an Associates in Accounting, a Bachelors in Chemistry and Physics, and a PhD in Aeronautical Engineering.



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16 Oct 2010, 5:09 pm

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I think they hire minorities to get taxation discounts primarily, although secondarily there may be oppositional racism involved as per my previous shift manager. It does seem like there are more white dudes in the police force than white gals or minorities of either gender, however they also have a tendency to hire military veterans who otherwise can't find work. Women seem to have an easier time finding work than men do, which I think might be due to aesthetic preference and possibly desire not to be labeled as a misogynist™ if managers were to hire too many men. As per the whole qualification© argument, I think that given a random distribution of men and women of all shades of melanin that you'd get the same basic ability to do the work required in a job. I do not consider managers to be above preferentially treating those they arbitrarily love and discriminating against those they arbitrarily hate, and with the current arrangement in the U.S. where it is acceptable to display racist attitudes against the Evil-Racist-Whiteman© it just is Good-Business™ to "go with the flow"©.

BTW a food shelf is an office where you are allowed to visit once a month, sit in the waiting room, and leave with food after an interview.


Do they get taxation discounts for hiring minorities? It might sound naive of me to ask that. I thought it was just for getting people off benefits (welfare).

I think women do have an easier time finding work, but a harder time getting paid more for it.

What that former manager of yours did isn't acceptable behaviour. It's still discrimination. You could get her in trouble for making racist comments at work. The laws against racial discrimination theoretically apply to everyone.



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16 Oct 2010, 5:28 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:

I think they hire minorities to get taxation discounts primarily, although secondarily there may be oppositional racism involved as per my previous shift manager. It does seem like there are more white dudes in the police force than white gals or minorities of either gender, however they also have a tendency to hire military veterans who otherwise can't find work. Women seem to have an easier time finding work than men do, which I think might be due to aesthetic preference and possibly desire not to be labeled as a misogynist™ if managers were to hire too many men. As per the whole qualification© argument, I think that given a random distribution of men and women of all shades of melanin that you'd get the same basic ability to do the work required in a job. I do not consider managers to be above preferentially treating those they arbitrarily love and discriminating against those they arbitrarily hate, and with the current arrangement in the U.S. where it is acceptable to display racist attitudes against the Evil-Racist-Whiteman© it just is Good-Business™ to "go with the flow"©.

BTW a food shelf is an office where you are allowed to visit once a month, sit in the waiting room, and leave with food after an interview.


Do they get taxation discounts for hiring minorities? It might sound naive of me to ask that. I thought it was just for getting people off benefits (welfare).

I think women do have an easier time finding work, but a harder time getting paid more for it.

What that former manager of yours did isn't acceptable behaviour. It's still discrimination. You could get her in trouble for making racist comments at work. The laws against racial discrimination theoretically apply to everyone.


Taxation benefits are one method of Affirmative Action© to ensure that businesses provide Equal Opportunity Employment© for oppressed™ minorities.

It may be that women get paid less, that would also be just as wrong.

The laws against racial discrimination, in practice, apply only to racial discrimination against minorities. Racial discrimination against The Majority™ is treated as acceptable.



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16 Oct 2010, 5:30 pm

Hey parakeet:

Shooting for fast-food employment is not something you want to aspire to anyway. Why do you even care about doing a good job at McDonalds and stuff like that? Those jobs are the lowest of the low and have no dignity. You need to shoot for some professional status.

If black shift managers hire only blacks at Fast Food, its not like anyone is really going to say anything. I don't see why any white would even want to work there?

While it may be anecdotal, some years ago, my mom worked as janitor at a public school. One of her co-workers was a black man who got promoted to janitorial supervisor. After his promotion, he had complete leverage over the hiring and did not even consider any applications that weren't black. White, Mexican, Muslim, etc, applications all got ignored. Every new worker hired in the last 10 years was black, until the school janitorial service became an all black institution. Obviously he wanted it to be an all black workforce and look out for his own.

White people should not want to work somewhere anyway where the hiring procedures proceed as such. Whites should shoot for something better anyway than fast food or menial work where they get hired and fired by petty minority managers seeking to adjust the workforce based on race and hire their own.

No one will really bat an eyebrow if a McDonalds that is mostly black just chooses to hire all-black.

Anyway, I can't see someone such as yourself(parakeet,) having anything in common with your minority coworkers. I don't see why you would think about anything else besides getting as far away from there as possible. In fast food, it doesn't matter what kind of service you provide anyway. There are no real standards. Its just minimum wage crap that is beneath white America, until fast food stops employing immigrants, and adds some dignity to those jobs and pays a decent wage.



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16 Oct 2010, 5:32 pm

puddingmouse wrote:
You mean against whites?

I don't know the situation in the US, but there isn't racism against white people in general over here. There's just a lot of classism against poor whites, of which I am a little guilty, myself.

What have you been prevented from doing because you're white? Other than join some minority special interest group.


I think the bee in 'Keet's bonnet isn't so much racism directed against whites, but it's tolerance by people that would not tolerate similar sentiments being expressed if they were targeted at other groups.(correct me if I'm wrong here) Bigotry is bigotry, and there is no such thing as '"reverse racism", it's all the same and all equally bad; to be truly fair you don't get to take historical inequities into account when crafting laws and regulations.

Hanotaux actually has an interesting thread going about the fallacy of presentism, which is applying current moral standards to historical figures and their actions. His point there, and he does have one, is that when this fallacy is applied in teaching and textbooks it casts Europeans in general as the villains of history and fosters not only resentment among some minorities but self loathing in some white people, such as 'Keets former employer.


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