please explain the Tea Party to a canuck

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Ron Paul supporter and was around when the first money bombs were started and inspired by V for Vandetta and saw that morph into the modern Tea Party which represents NONE of the features in Ron Paul that I liked.


I don't have a clue? No, I have a perfect understanding because I WAS IN IT.


Don't tell me I don't know what's going on because you REALLY REALLY want your Pinocchio idea to be a real boy.

very interesting. i think that maybe people are fearful of anything new. here in canada (and some european countries, for example), we have tons of political parties that rise and fall all of the time and sometimes have to compromise with minority governments. in the united states, a new party or philosophy might be approached differently? or not?

what i mean is that when the basic ideas are laid out, the Tea Party seems quite reasonable. but people are very skeptical and critical (maybe for good reason, but i it seems like nobody knows because the party is as yet unproven, maybe?). and it looks kind of like any new party will become a clearinghouse for the more extreme opinions. so the extreme stuff gets quietly absorbed into the party, even though it does not necessarily reflect the basic aims or philosophy of the group.

not sure if i am getting the gist at all. maybe i am just looking for boogeymen.

sounds fair. can you provide more information? i'm not trying to pass judgement. i'm just hearing whispers of something new and i want to understand it better.

Since I didn't call you out specifically you must be identifying yourself as a lefty. Ron Paul supporter and a lefty at the same time? Do you have a few conflicts in your own head? I'm not sure I can think of a single shared point of view between Paul & Obama.

... Its satire check the guys channel for other political groups.

I've explored all potentials and options. Former libertarian then I stopped believing in fairy tales and started being disgusted by what I heard from those tea partiers. They're mostly nutjob unabomber types who aren't that far gone yet. They don't believe in liberty; they just don't anything beyond their meager comprehension abilities.

The core of the movement is a revolution within the Republican party, and it did flare up with the treatment of Ron Paul in 2008.

The core of the problem lies in the establishment elites of the Republican party, and the history with Nixon, Bush1, and Bush2. Just as with others the Republican elites only core interest is to remain in office. While they pander to various interest groups such as the Christian right, big business, small government,, and pro-military, the core of their record shows them as nothing more than "liberal light"

McCain was the tipping point. If McCain was elected nothing would be different today. McCain was the great compromiser, he would have signed the bailouts and recovery acts, they may have just been a little smaller. He would have come to a compromise on health care reform. Heck we'd probably already have cap and tax.

The republican elites have no interest or support in actually stopping or reversing the growth of government. Nixon gave us the EPA and countless other federal program, Bush 1 gave us the ADA and liberals on the supreme court, Bush 2 gave us huge government growth, the TSA, and Medicare part D.

The republican elites will openly oppose anyone who has any intention of actually stopping the growth of the federal government. The treatment of Reagan, the Paul's, and Palin all show this as well as the endorsement of liberal republican candidates this election cycle. Yes, never forget that the Republican elites hated Reagan.

The core of the tea party wants smaller government and more freedom. There is a lot of disagreement within the party, but the core direction is the same.

We all know that Republicans will make huge gains today. But the issue is how they will govern after today. The opposition to repealing Obamacare is going to come from the republican elites. They have no backbone and they will cave to Obama. They will attempt to compromise and continue to grow the government, just a little slower continuing on as "liberal light." The tea party has come to stop government growth, and turn it around.

The Republican elites are more scared of the tea party than the Dems. They want nothing more than for us to simply shut and go away.

But we in the tea party understand that the civil war in the republican party does not end today, It only intensifies. We have not won enough battles within the party to turn the tide yet. When the Republican elites compromise and go back on their promises, (and we know they will) we will be there. We will no longer support anyone just because they have an R by their name. We will fight them, we will oppose them, we will run against them in the Republican primaries.

The goal in the end is a Republican party that actually stands for something. No longer will we vote for the lesser of two evils or liberal light. We fight for liberty, freedom, and smaller government.

Hmm, name calling again. always such an effective way to have a discussion.

I've been to many tea party events. The majority of those who I have met are hard working middle-class American families. So who are you to judge us all?

How does claiming to be hard-working or being middle-class make one less susceptible to stupidity, gullibility or bad decision-making?

No matter how many events you've attended, the facts remain that the outspoken proponents of the Tea Party wrap outright lies in 'patriotic' rhetoric, are overfond of the word 'purify' and have no genuine plan of action beyond banging a drum for the downtrodden white folks who are being oppressed to march behind.

I seem to remember reading about a similar drum that was beaten by a certain Austrian in the 1920's and 30's.

And I've been to liberal events with many hard working middle-class families. What's your point? Conservatives don't have the market cornered on people who work for a living.

i see, sort of. well, this new party sure seems to be gaining ground.

Their plan of action is to deconstruct all of the societal constructs we currently have in place and watch everything burn. They would rather a confederation instead of a republic.

Actually, there is some logic to the theory he is a muslim. Under the Islamic Religion (I had to read the Quran/Koran/(however you spell it) in a medieval history course), if your Father is a Muslim you must be a muslim. Converting from Islam is a death sentence. Also the reason why people are worried about if he is a muslim is because if he is, then under their religion it is okay to lie to infidels on any oaths.

As someone who agrees with many of the tea party's principles I get seriously annoyed when people try to make them out to be racists or mental cases.

I don't care what color Obama's skin color is. I think he is a left wing fanatic and he's taken the country on a course that is unsustainable.

You can't make a statement like the above and follow it with:

"As someone who agrees with many of the tea party's principles I get seriously annoyed when people try to make them out to be racists or mental cases."

The tea party has no monopoly on stupidity, gullibility or bad decision-making. Outspoken Dems have claimed that 9/11 was an inside job, that Bush, while being the stupidest president ever elected to the point of metal retardation, was also a criminal mastermind who lead the plan to put explosives in the world trade towers and pulled off the greatest conspiracy know to man. They carried pictures of bush as Hitler and openly called for him to be assassinated. There are also Dems who are openly members of the communist party who call for the overthrow of the US government by any means. And then there were Dems such as Saul Alinsky who taught Dem not to protest the Republicans, but instead to go in disguise and dress up as KKK members and show up at republican rallies to create controversy.

The difference is that we are not so gullible to fall into stereotyping groups of people based on the actions of a few.

Under Islamic Law converting from Islam is a death sentence. I haven't heard of any Al Qaeda tapes surfacing calling for Obama's death. Remember we're fighting fanatics that happen to be muslim.

In all honesty, I think Obama is a far left partisan hack, however I can see there is logic in the idea that Obama is a muslim. It doesn't mean I agree or disagree with their assessment, just I can see that there is some logic in how they reached their conclusion.