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16 Nov 2010, 1:30 pm

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It is not wrong to compel people to share.


Cool! Could you tell me where you live? I bet you have some stuff I'd like to share. I could come and compel you to share it with me. You know, I was taught it was armed robbery, but really I'm just compelling you to share. Hmm, why bother going to you. I think I'll just walk into a bank and compel them to share with me.

Oooh wait, compelling someone to share is the same as the definition of theft.

I don't even know why I should bother responding to this moronic crap. :x It is not wrong for government to compell people to share through progressive taxation. It's part of living in a society.



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16 Nov 2010, 1:32 pm

marshall wrote:
parrow wrote:
marshall wrote:
It is not wrong to compel people to share.


Cool! Could you tell me where you live? I bet you have some stuff I'd like to share. I could come and compel you to share it with me. You know, I was taught it was armed robbery, but really I'm just compelling you to share. Hmm, why bother going to you. I think I'll just walk into a bank and compel them to share with me.

Oooh wait, compelling someone to share is the same as the definition of theft.

I don't even know why I should bother responding to this moronic crap. :x It is not wrong for government to compell people to share through progressive taxation.


Why should the Government punish people for being successful?



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16 Nov 2010, 1:38 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
parrow wrote:
marshall wrote:
It is not wrong to compel people to share.


Cool! Could you tell me where you live? I bet you have some stuff I'd like to share. I could come and compel you to share it with me. You know, I was taught it was armed robbery, but really I'm just compelling you to share. Hmm, why bother going to you. I think I'll just walk into a bank and compel them to share with me.

Oooh wait, compelling someone to share is the same as the definition of theft.

I don't even know why I should bother responding to this moronic crap. :x It is not wrong for government to compell people to share through progressive taxation.


Why should the Government punish people for being successful?

They are not punished. They are compelled to contribute more because they have the means to.



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16 Nov 2010, 1:51 pm

marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
parrow wrote:
marshall wrote:
It is not wrong to compel people to share.


Cool! Could you tell me where you live? I bet you have some stuff I'd like to share. I could come and compel you to share it with me. You know, I was taught it was armed robbery, but really I'm just compelling you to share. Hmm, why bother going to you. I think I'll just walk into a bank and compel them to share with me.

Oooh wait, compelling someone to share is the same as the definition of theft.

I don't even know why I should bother responding to this moronic crap. :x It is not wrong for government to compell people to share through progressive taxation.


Why should the Government punish people for being successful?

They are not punished. They are compelled to contribute more because they have the means to.


http://www.nysun.com/opinion/democrats- ... ity/56759/

I would have posted an article from CBS but apparently it was removed guessing someone in the White House didn't like it.

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/art ... 5747.shtml

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... rrior.html

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/09/30/t ... democrats/



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16 Nov 2010, 4:30 pm

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They are not punished. They are compelled to contribute more because they have the means to.


That is unjust. All contributions should be voluntary.

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17 Nov 2010, 12:29 am

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Why should the Government punish people for being successful?


why should the government punish people for being UNsuccessful? failure is its own punishment, and should not be augmented by further disenfranchisement via law.



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17 Nov 2010, 12:55 am

auntblabby wrote:
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Why should the Government punish people for being successful?


why should the government punish people for being UNsuccessful? failure is its own punishment, and should not be augmented by further disenfranchisement via law.


How are people being disenfranchised? Seriously I have no problem with someone whom is poor voting as long as they are a citizen and of age. That does not mean I support stuffing the ballot box with phony votes.



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17 Nov 2010, 1:21 am

Inuyasha wrote:
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Why should the Government punish people for being successful?


why should the government punish people for being UNsuccessful? failure is its own punishment, and should not be augmented by further disenfranchisement via law.


How are people being disenfranchised?


by denying us disposable workers affordable healthcare. by banning gay marriage, or even gay [EQUAL! not "special"] civil rights for that matter. by poo-pooing the chronic problem of bullying in schools and the workplace. by hobbling the right of commonfolk to sue big business for economic redress of tort. by defanging antitrust law so that corporations can become even more tyrannical and untouchable when they run roughshod over us all down in the favelas. by making separate classes of citizen, some more privileged than others [gay? single? poor? go to the penalty box and STAY in there! no civil rights for YOU!] by insisting that citizens be property owners before they can vote, or be able to pay a honking poll tax which is a major portion of one's income. by banning government civil servants from voting. by taking away citizenry's right to vote for senators. this all perennial rightist philosophy. if you belong to the repub/conservative/tea party, you have signed off on all of these things.

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Seriously I have no problem with someone whom is poor voting as long as they are a citizen and of age. That does not mean I support stuffing the ballot box with phony votes.


why do you insist that voting shenanigans are only done by dems against repubs? judging by your self-righteous anger towards the left, i suspect you do have a problem with democrats voting for democrats. the democrats are your boogyman. i am not a boogyman, i am only a meek individual just trying to survive the continuous onslaught of bullies with all the money and power and privileges america can give them on a silver platter. the democrats, for all their flaws, at least are not my enemy - but the repubs are, by and large, by word and deed. you made me your enemy, but i have done nothing to deserve that epithet. i am nobody's enemy.



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17 Nov 2010, 2:59 am

Statistics show that happiness and well-being in a family level off at around 75K/year; if that is truly the case, it is neither harming nor decreasing the happiness of a family making above 250K to start taxing them more.



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17 Nov 2010, 1:09 pm

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Statistics show that happiness and well-being in a family level off at around 75K/year; if that is truly the case, it is neither harming nor decreasing the happiness of a family making above 250K to start taxing them more.


Except for the fact, which you deliberately ignore, that raising taxes like that on Small Businesses will hurt said businesses and potentially cause them to not hire employees or lay even more people off to keep from going under.

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Okay now you are giving into hysteria. Seriously you need to stop drinking the Kool-aid.



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17 Nov 2010, 4:38 pm

trickle-down economics has been shown not to work over and over. It may have worked 100 years ago, but now those business owners take the untaxed profits and either buy yachts or use it to open a maquiladora in Mexico.

edit: or they hire a lobbyist.



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17 Nov 2010, 4:45 pm

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trickle-down economics has been shown not to work over and over. It may have worked 100 years ago, but now those business owners take the untaxed profits and either buy yachts or use it to open a maquiladora in Mexico.

edit: or they hire a lobbyist.


You just disproved yourself if you're saying they bought themselves a yacht. Someone has to build said yacht for them to purchase it. Same if they bought a corporate jet.



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17 Nov 2010, 4:51 pm

And whoever built it wasn't an American.



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17 Nov 2010, 4:58 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Why should the Government punish people for being successful?


why should the government punish people for being UNsuccessful? failure is its own punishment, and should not be augmented by further disenfranchisement via law.


How are people being disenfranchised? Seriously I have no problem with someone whom is poor voting as long as they are a citizen and of age. That does not mean I support stuffing the ballot box with phony votes.


You're showing your Faux news bias again; despite the right-wing fear-mongering over supposed voter fraud, there has been no evidence anywhere of voter fraud to the degree that would even remotely begin to influence elections. Accusations of voter fraud have been used for as long as there have been votes in order to disenfranchise voters that the right wing did not want to see represented in an elective government.
http://mediamatters.org/research/201010270031
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/democracy ... ter_fraud/
http://www.google.com/search?q=history+ ... 8ff139f00a



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17 Nov 2010, 4:58 pm

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And whoever built it wasn't an American.


Currently one of the most sought after Corporate Jets are produced by Gulfstream which largely manufactures their aircraft in the United States (they do some manufacturing in Israel as well but the bulk is in the US).

They do have employees in other countries to handle technical support in the advent of emergency maintainence (part of their business model), but they produce their planes in the United States.



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17 Nov 2010, 7:52 pm

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i would rather live in a society where the common good was a priority, than this one. it seems you prefer nasty, brutish and short, as long as you are comfortably above it all. you have reason to rejoice, for your beloved banana republic is coming along here just swimmingly. soon there will be favelas everywhere the eyes can see, you just need peek between the bars of your locked gates to see the valley scenery down below. enjoy the view.


I don't like tyranny. Forcing people to do things against their will is a manifestation of tyranny, particularly when the government does the forcing.

I deny your premise. I don't believe I own anyone (except my dependent children) any positive duty outside of observing all legal contracts into to which I have entered. Any other "duties" are negative duties. I will not violate the property or persons of my neighbors nor will I defraud them.

My civic duties consist largely of not scaring the horses and being quiet at night so my neighbors can get a night's sleep.

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