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05 Dec 2012, 12:07 pm

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What are your views on this woman? Do you believe she deserved to be burned at the stake? Did she really recieve messages from God or was she lying or insane? Is it wrong to think of what happened to her as a tragedy?


Joan of Arc? Good soldier and leader. No, she shouldn't have been burnt at the stake or executed whatsoever. War sucks. I have no idea whether she heard from God or not. No, it's not wrong to think of what happened to her as a tragedy.



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05 Dec 2012, 12:19 pm

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Joan of Arc? Good soldier and leader. No, she shouldn't have been burnt at the stake or executed whatsoever. War sucks. I have no idea whether she heard from God or not. No, it's not wrong to think of what happened to her as a tragedy.


The Catholic clergy on the British side demonized Joan as a witch and a servant of Satan. Three cheers for the Catholic Church.

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05 Dec 2012, 1:34 pm

Jeanne D'Arc has been dead for 581 years. While she was alive, she exhibited signs of dementia -- specifically, schizophrenia. Now that she is dead, she is irrelevant to all but the devoutly religious ... many of whom also exhibit signs of dementia ...



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06 Dec 2012, 6:09 pm

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Joan of Arc was bat-sh*t crazy. It was unkind of the Brits to burn her alive. They just should have discredited her. Perhaps by branding "I am a crazy woman" on her forehead.

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She did come from a very different time.



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06 Dec 2012, 8:39 pm

On the one hand, it's sad hear about a 19 year old getting executed. On the other hand, she was a general, a crime for which execution seems fitting.



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06 Dec 2012, 9:05 pm

schizophrenia is just an altered state of consciousness



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07 Dec 2012, 6:40 pm

ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Joan of Arc? Good soldier and leader. No, she shouldn't have been burnt at the stake or executed whatsoever. War sucks. I have no idea whether she heard from God or not. No, it's not wrong to think of what happened to her as a tragedy.


The Catholic clergy on the British side demonized Joan as a witch and a servant of Satan. Three cheers for the Catholic Church.

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Heretic not witch. Sorcery claims seemed to continue. I cannot find the witchcraft claim in the trial records but I don't think they could have said she was a witch. T hey demonized her alright. That is until the trial after her death in which Cauchon a leading cause in her death was proclaimed a heretic and Jeanne innocenet. Some who opposed her were regretful at her death and seemed to have turned into supporters. (accounts describe sorrow amoung English soldiers, one crafing a makeshift cross out of sticks for her to hold and the executioner saying something about fearing for his soul he believed he burnt a saint.) That was irrelevent but I like saying about her history.The same church canonized her much later.



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08 Dec 2012, 9:29 am

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]Heretic not witch. Sorcery claims seemed to continue. I cannot find the witchcraft claim in the trial records but I don't think they could have said she was a witch. T hey demonized her alright. That is until the trial after her death in which Cauchon a leading cause in her death was proclaimed a heretic and Jeanne innocenet. Some who opposed her were regretful at her death and seemed to have turned into supporters. (accounts describe sorrow amoung English soldiers, one crafing a makeshift cross out of sticks for her to hold and the executioner saying something about fearing for his soul he believed he burnt a saint.) That was irrelevent but I like saying about her history.The same church canonized her much later.


Rome knows how to hedge the bets. A recent pope endorsed the theory of evolution and the big bang theory.

From Galileo the Heretic to Stephen Hawking the genius. What a ride!

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08 Dec 2012, 9:50 am

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]Heretic not witch. Sorcery claims seemed to continue. I cannot find the witchcraft claim in the trial records but I don't think they could have said she was a witch. T hey demonized her alright. That is until the trial after her death in which Cauchon a leading cause in her death was proclaimed a heretic and Jeanne innocenet. Some who opposed her were regretful at her death and seemed to have turned into supporters. (accounts describe sorrow amoung English soldiers, one crafing a makeshift cross out of sticks for her to hold and the executioner saying something about fearing for his soul he believed he burnt a saint.) That was irrelevent but I like saying about her history.The same church canonized her much later.


Rome knows how to hedge the bets. A recent pope endorsed the theory of evolution and the big bang theory.

From Galileo the Heretic to Stephen Hawking the genius. What a ride!

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Hedge the bets? I am sorry I have not ever heard that expression, because of that I cannot understand your post which I should like to do. Would you please explain the expression?



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08 Dec 2012, 10:02 am

Stephen Hawking believes in an Earth centered universe.



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08 Dec 2012, 10:06 am

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Stephen Hawking believes in an Earth centered universe.


Utter and complete nonsense.

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08 Dec 2012, 10:17 am

Hawking said if space is infinite in all directions any point can be the center of the universe.



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08 Dec 2012, 2:35 pm

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Hawking said if space is infinite in all directions any point can be the center of the universe.


Which mean NO point is the center of the cosmos. Learn to be logical.

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08 Dec 2012, 3:26 pm

It means if we lived on the Sun we would live at the center of the universe but since we live on Earth why not make Earth the center of the universe? Besides spirographic orbits are more interesting.



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08 Dec 2012, 3:37 pm

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It means if we lived on the Sun we would live at the center of the universe but since we live on Earth why not make Earth the center of the universe? Besides spirographic orbits are more interesting.


No. It means the notion that the cosmos has a center is meaningless.

Let me ask you this. Consider just the surface of a sphere. Which point on the surface is the center of the surface. The answer: there is no such point.

Three space is just the "surface" of a 4 dimensional hypersphere.

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