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Bethie
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01 Dec 2010, 11:25 pm

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I do not see that the original question presumes anything except that some among us might "have a religion" of which a subset might choose to speak.

No more than the similar "what sensory issues do you have" query posted elsewhere assumes that everybody here has such.



So...would it be a presumption to assume you, like many Aspies, have trouble identifying sarcasm?


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02 Dec 2010, 12:51 am

My mother is Muslim, my father is Jewish, I'm an atheist. My parents like to think it's an actual symptom of aspergers.



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02 Dec 2010, 4:39 am

I'm a Lutheran. I was born and raised in the conservative Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod, and am still a member, as is my wife (convert), and our five year old daughter. But in all fairness, I am quite a bit more liberal by Missouri Synod standards, concerning evolution and gay rights. Then again, I live in the Pacific Northwest, where Missouri Synod Lutherans are looked upon as being more theologically liberal than maybe the rest of our church is in other parts of the country.

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02 Dec 2010, 8:59 am

Bethie wrote:
Philologos wrote:
I do not see that the original question presumes anything except that some among us might "have a religion" of which a subset might choose to speak.

No more than the similar "what sensory issues do you have" query posted elsewhere assumes that everybody here has such.



So...would it be a presumption to assume you, like many Aspies, have trouble identifying sarcasm?


:D


Given my background [you should have been there when my grandfather came to visit] I frequently identify sarcasm. Sometimes where none was intended.

But, as my wife would tell you, certain frequencies of sarcasm, even when vocallu delivered so I can hear intonation, can zoom past my head. It probably has helped me socially since I at times miss a jibe and other times ignore it thinmking I mighht be misreading.

In any case, even though I am one of the undiagnosed, your post I did not perceive as sarcastic.

Happens.

I trust it did not appear that my response - intended as dispassionate data - did not read as what a friend once called "dumping"



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02 Dec 2010, 9:01 am

I was sort of hoping this was a thread about an online quix :(


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02 Dec 2010, 9:03 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
I'm a Lutheran. I was born and raised in the conservative Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod, and am still a member, as is my wife (convert), and our five year old daughter. But in all fairness, I am quite a bit more liberal by Missouri Synod standards, concerning evolution and gay rights. Then again, I live in the Pacific Northwest, where Missouri Synod Lutherans are looked upon as being more theologically liberal than maybe the rest of our church is in other parts of the country.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


My mother started out a Baltimore German Lutheran [not sure of synod labels and boundaries at the time] and dropped out to Episcopalianism after negative to her interactions with the Missouri Synod fter she moved to the Midwest. But by my understanding Wisconsin Synod is nearer the peak.



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02 Dec 2010, 2:48 pm

Philologos wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I'm a Lutheran. I was born and raised in the conservative Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod, and am still a member, as is my wife (convert), and our five year old daughter. But in all fairness, I am quite a bit more liberal by Missouri Synod standards, concerning evolution and gay rights. Then again, I live in the Pacific Northwest, where Missouri Synod Lutherans are looked upon as being more theologically liberal than maybe the rest of our church is in other parts of the country.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


My mother started out a Baltimore German Lutheran [not sure of synod labels and boundaries at the time] and dropped out to Episcopalianism after negative to her interactions with the Missouri Synod fter she moved to the Midwest. But by my understanding Wisconsin Synod is nearer the peak.


That sounds pretty much right.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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02 Dec 2010, 5:09 pm

Was raised a Catholic, but dabbled in Quakerism and Buddhism. Nowadays, I alternate between apatheism and dystheism. I normally don't care about the existence of a god, but I think if a god or gods exists, they're either evil, unconcerned, or utterly incompetent. I can sympathise with some pagan pantheons with their rather flawed and sometimes nasty deities. I like to think of myself as standing alone, human, against cosmic rubbishness. Trying to stand up with a brave face towards the horrible whims of chance and the inevitability of suffering, death and decay.

I failed at being a Buddhist because I couldn't believe that suffering could be dispensed with by enlightenment (or even attachment to suffering). I can sort of believe that we are already enlightened (as they do in Zen) - you're supposed to practice to sustain that fact and remember it more, but I fell out of practice.



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02 Dec 2010, 5:43 pm

I am omniligious, but I lean towards the mystical.


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02 Dec 2010, 5:55 pm

puddingmouse wrote:
Was raised a Catholic, but dabbled in Quakerism and Buddhism. Nowadays, I alternate between apatheism and dystheism. I normally don't care about the existence of a god, but I think if a god or gods exists, they're either evil, unconcerned, or utterly incompetent. I can sympathise with some pagan pantheons with their rather flawed and sometimes nasty deities. I like to think of myself as standing alone, human, against cosmic rubbishness. Trying to stand up with a brave face towards the horrible whims of chance and the inevitability of suffering, death and decay.

I failed at being a Buddhist because I couldn't believe that suffering could be dispensed with by enlightenment (or even attachment to suffering). I can sort of believe that we are already enlightened (as they do in Zen) - you're supposed to practice to sustain that fact and remember it more, but I fell out of practice.


Suffering isn't dispensed with by enlightenment, it's dispensed with by removing the sources of suffering, which leads to being enlightened.

Sounds so simple. :lol:

The way I interpret the idea that we are all already enlightened, is that we are enlightened to the extent that all we have to do is lose a bunch of stuff, and it's there.

Suffering isn't inevitable, but decay and death certainly do seem to be.


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02 Dec 2010, 7:26 pm

AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
Me = Catholic


Me too! :)


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02 Dec 2010, 8:17 pm

Agnostic, for sure. I believe in a balance in the world, and that we must work to obtain it. It's our responsitility to deal with the cards we are given and make the best out of it. I also believe that the story of Jesus Christ is inspiring to many, but I can't buy into it. Too long has passed since his life and hystory is notorious for changing at the will of many as well as by accident. Bible stories are good moral lessons, but to be taken with a grain of salt in my book. I am teaching my kids good social and moral values, but I don't think that belonging to any specific religion should govern it.



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02 Dec 2010, 8:33 pm

I am Agnostic. I believe we as humans can not know weather or not a higher power exists. ( Unless of course it were to appear or something. )



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03 Dec 2010, 7:07 am

I'm Buddhist, but it's more a philosophy and a way of life than a religion (for me).


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03 Dec 2010, 4:01 pm

Moog wrote:

Suffering isn't dispensed with by enlightenment, it's dispensed with by removing the sources of suffering, which leads to being enlightened.

Sounds so simple. :lol:

The way I interpret the idea that we are all already enlightened, is that we are enlightened to the extent that all we have to do is lose a bunch of stuff, and it's there.

Suffering isn't inevitable, but decay and death certainly do seem to be.


You're right. I was misunderstanding enlightenment.

I was choosing my words wrongly as well because I gave the impression that enlightenment is cultivated, when it's really just revealed, by losing delusions.

I'm still in a fog, though :lol:



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04 Dec 2010, 12:13 am

i am a loserian......born of dirt, live of dirt, return to dirt.