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14 Jan 2011, 2:24 am

Say it right people; African American Vernacular English, AAVE or just vernacular if you happen to hang with a linguistics crowd. I look at it like any other patois, it's like verbal seasoning, used to provide a particular flavor to oral communications. I doubt that it really needs to be taught in schools, most people just pick it up on their own, same as any other dialect or slang jargon. However you look at it, it's not something to lose your mind over, it's not an African language using English grammar, and it's not just "bad English" either.


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14 Jan 2011, 7:50 am

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14 Jan 2011, 8:30 am

NaturalPlastic, you have a good point. The Ebon Tongue would vanish from their lips.



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14 Jan 2011, 10:35 am

Dox47 wrote:
Say it right people; African American Vernacular English, AAVE or just vernacular if you happen to hang with a linguistics crowd. I look at it like any other patois, it's like verbal seasoning, used to provide a particular flavor to oral communications. I doubt that it really needs to be taught in schools, most people just pick it up on their own, same as any other dialect or slang jargon. However you look at it, it's not something to lose your mind over, it's not an African language using English grammar, and it's not just "bad English" either.
EXACTLY. I don't understand the big deal people have over AAVE. I think it's snobbish to call it bad English when it's not even a formal dialect in the first place. Just cuz it's informal doesn't make it some cheap excuse to not learn standard English. It's a a matter of preference, not an indicator of intelligence.

So all y'all mothaf*ckas dat got a problem wit Ebonics can step yo punk asses up and git smacked upside yo head.



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14 Jan 2011, 11:13 am

Just to append to your ebonics guide.

"I am" translates into "I beez".
"buy" translates into "steal"
"money" translates into "benjamins"



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14 Jan 2011, 11:15 am

AceOfSpades wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Say it right people; African American Vernacular English, AAVE or just vernacular if you happen to hang with a linguistics crowd. I look at it like any other patois, it's like verbal seasoning, used to provide a particular flavor to oral communications. I doubt that it really needs to be taught in schools, most people just pick it up on their own, same as any other dialect or slang jargon. However you look at it, it's not something to lose your mind over, it's not an African language using English grammar, and it's not just "bad English" either.
EXACTLY. I don't understand the big deal people have over AAVE. I think it's snobbish to call it bad English when it's not even a formal dialect in the first place. Just cuz it's informal doesn't make it some cheap excuse to not learn standard English. It's a a matter of preference, not an indicator of intelligence.

So all y'all mothaf*ckas dat got a problem wit Ebonics can step yo punk asses up and git smacked upside yo head.


AAVE yo Ebo? topic

Any language can have a patois. It is an informal, expressive, sort of ingroup lingo. Shared language helps to keep the group cohesive. I can think of many examples of groups using informal slangy expressions: Teens, people living in Brooklyn, New York, Newfoundlanders, Carribbean Islanders. The pidgin English of early Chinese newcomers to North America is a well known example. That this dialect is not longer spoken is a choice of the group involved.

Yiddish, though not a patois, is preserved because of a cultural choice. (Yiddish speakers in European countries many years ago still spoke the language of the resident country as formal business was conducted in that language (for example, Czech). Clearly African Americans/Canadians wish to maintain this form of Black English, and many of the words have made their way into everyday, informal use. Rap/hiphop would not be the same if the language used did not incorporate Ebonics. 8)

Recognition of Ebonics/AAVE could be part of cultural studies curricula. But the customary formal English grammar, spelling and vocabulary used in business, education, government, the courts, etc. is standardized and recognized as the default for communicating ideas, and written information.

It is true that language evolves (arguably too slow for many), but there is a standard format for large group use and this rule has not changed.


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14 Jan 2011, 2:02 pm

People teach themselves how to speak like their friends. One of the main reasons why communication is possible between so many people as it is today is due to the standardization of languages. If there weren't a standard developed then English would continue to trans-mutate as it had during the 10th through 15h centuries as Anglo-Saxon lost most of its complexity and became, essentially, readable by modern readers in the form of Middle English. Since then comparatively little has changed.



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14 Jan 2011, 3:22 pm

Only if internet slang is recognized.



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14 Jan 2011, 4:18 pm

alicedress wrote:
Only if internet slang is recognized.


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14 Jan 2011, 8:30 pm

The question itsself is rather vague.

Should it be "recognized" in what way?

Should Ebonics be recognized as a handicap- to help children overcome so they learn to read and write in standard English?- If thats the question Im inclined to agree that Ebonics should indeed be "recognized" by the school system in the same way that Aspergers and ADHD etc are ( or should be) "recognized" by the school system.

Or- is the question "Should Ebonics be recognized as a serpeate language of equal status to standard English ( kinda like French being given equal footing to English in Canada)?

If thats the question then the answer is "no" for many reasons.



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14 Jan 2011, 10:44 pm

Ebonics has its own grammatical patterns and verb conjugations, but it's not the standard dialect/register.



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15 Jan 2011, 4:12 am

NO THEY SHOULDN'T.

You learn that crap in urbandictionary.com, not public schools. We'd be giving birth to a whole new generation of illiteracy.


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