Are Christians responsible for the hatred of Jews today?

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Blood (racial) antisemitism originated in Catholic Spain and in the Islamic Domains. It was picked up later by Protestants, particularly the German Protestants. The Jewish refusal to throw in with later monotheistic movement made Jews extremely unpopular. Look at it from a Christian p.o.v. Christians are offering Jews Salvation on a Silver Platter and the Jews refuse it. Conclusion, the refusal is due to wicked and ungodly stubborness and so on and so on.....

From the Jewish p.o.v. the offer of salvation is bogus and of course Jews refuse it. It is blasphemy but what is worse, it is silly.

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As most "Christians" are no longer Christians, I dont think you can blame them for rising anti-semitism, I think you can blame Jews, nobody liked South Africans during the apartied years, it wasnt because of Christians, it was because of the way South Africans where treating Blacks.

Now, if you bother to find out about whats going on in Palestine, you will find the Israelis are treating the natives far worst, mudering school children, putting sewerage in thier drinking water, bulldozing thier houses whilst little children are still inside, this sort of behaviour in the modern world doesnt go down so well, sure, not every Jew is an Israeli, but unless they themselves condemn such behaviour, they will be heald gulty by association.

Some Jews are fighting hard against the damage that is being done to thier reputation, here is a video of Jewish Member of British Parliament trying to get the British government to stop the etnic cleansing of Palestinians, he likens Israelis as modern Nazis.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8[/youtube]

antisemitism is prejudice against jews for being jews.

There is the Ku Klux Klan, which is a Christian organization. You can only join if you are a White, non-Jewish Christian. They didn't used to let Catholics in, but now they let in Catholics.

I don't know what denominations they attract, but I suspect primarily Baptists.

And most Christians think the KKK are nuts, what's your point. There are atheists out there that hate Jews, should I condemn all atheists for the actions of a few wackos that happen to be Atheist?

The Talmud is filled with supremacist statements and insults towards gentiles and Zionists often aren't any better. Historically, Jews have been associated with subversive movements, usury, thieving, prostitution and numerous other activities or professions considered highly immoral by gentiles. How does one draw the line between being sceptical about Jews due to these negative associations and being prejudiced against Jews for being Jews?

Anyway, it is my opinion that antisemitism is the logical consequence of the behavior and attitude of a significant amount of individuals within the Jewish community perceived by gentiles as highly immoral and representative of Judaism in general.

can you name a race/ethnic group who has not "been associated with subversive movements, usury, theiving, prostitution, and numerous other activities or professions considered highly immoral by gentiles?"

not believing that jews are "chosen by god" is not antisemitism. believing that jews, more than members of other groups, engage in these activities because they're jews is antisemitism.

it is my opinion that such a sentiment is as logical as blaming jews for the black plague or the presence of a female for poor sailing conditions. you might try applying some skepticism to such obviously superstitious and broad generalizations.

Actually, there isn't a single other ethnic group (including African-Americans) where this association is as common and as accurate.



How about acknowledging the fact that a superiority complex based on the assumption that Jews are "chosen by god" is very common among both religions and secular Jews? How about acknowledging the fact that many Jews are hostile towards gentiles because of that and that this is one of the main causes of antisemitism?



Would you say the Nazis are responsible for people hating Nazis today? Would you suggest that every single Nazi was an evil baby-killing monster or do you believe there were actually decent, well-meaning Nazis out there who may just have been a bit naive?

What's my point? If you can't blame people for hating Nazis because Nazism is generally associated with immoral acts, then why do you blame people for hating Jews when Jews are generally associated with immoral acts? Why the distinction? Isn't this hypocritical?

perhaps a better comparison would be "hating people of german descent because nazis were germans."

people who believe and act on the assumption that they are "chosen by god" are not secularists.

comparing israel, in the context of israel vs palestine, to the nazis is an exaggeration.

comparing jews, in the context of "jews are jews," to nazis is ignorant.

The Fighters for the Freedom of Israel (FFI) The Lechi, By Avraham Stern
(written approximately 1940)
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1. The Nation
The Jewish people is a covenanted people, the originator
of monotheism formulator of the prophetic teachings, standard
bearer of human culture, guardian of glorious patrimony. The
Jewish people is schooled in self-sacrifice and suffering; its
vision, survivability and faith in redemption are indestructable.

2. The Homeland
The Homeland in the Land of Israel within the borders
delineated in the Bible ("To your descendants, I shall give
this land, from the River of Egypt to the great Euphrates River."
Genesis 15:18) This is the land of the living, where the entire
nation shall live in safety.

3. The Nation and its Land
Israel conquered the land with the sword. There it became a
great nation and only there it will be reborn. Hence Israel alone
has a right to that land. This is an absolute right. It has never
expired and never will.

4. The Goals
1. redemption of the land.
2. Establishment of sovereignty.
3. Revival of the nation.

There is no sovereignty without the redemption of the land,
and there is no national revival without sovereignty.

These are the goals of the organization during the period of war
and conquest:

5. Education
Educate the nation to love freedom and zealously guard
Israel's eternal patrimony. Inculcate the idea that the nation
is master to its own fate. Revive the doctrine that "The sword
and the book came bound together from heaven". (Midrash Vayikra
Rabba 35:8)

6. Unity
The unification of the entire nation around the banner of
the Hebrew freedom movement. The use of the genius, status and
resources of individuals and the channeling of the energy,
devotion and revolutionary fervor of the masses for the war of
liberation.

7. Pacts
Make pacts with all those who are willing to help the
struggle of the organization and provide direct support.

8. Force
Consolidate and increase the fighting force in the homeland
and in the diaspora, in the underground and in the barracks, to
become the Hebrew army of liberation with its flag, arms, and
commanders.

9. War
Constant war against those who stand in the way of
fulfilling the goals.

10. Conquest
The conquest of the homeland from foreign rule and its
eternal possession.

These are the tasks of the movement during the period of
sovereignty and redemption:

11. Sovereignty
Renewal of Hebrew sovereignty over the redeemed land.

12. Rule of Justice
The establishment of a social order in the spirit of Jewish
morality and prophetic justice. Under such and order no one will
go hungry or unemployed. All will live in harmony, mutual respect
and friendship as an example to the world.

13. Reviving the Wilderness
Build the ruins and revive the wilderness for mass
immigration and population increase.

14. Aliens
Solve the problem of alien population by exchange of population.

15. Ingathering of the Exiles
Total ingathering of the entire exiles to their sovereign state.

16. Power
The Hebrew nation shall become a first-rate military,
political, cultural and economic entity in the Middle East and
around the Mediterranean Sea.

17. Revival
The revival of the Hebrew language as a spoken language by
the entire nation, the renewal of the historical and spiritual
might of Israel. The purification of the national character in
the fire of revival.

18. The Temple
The building of the Third Temple as a symbol of the era of
total redemption.

Ideals of NS Germany, 1933 - 1945
(my own adaptation of the ideology of the Lechi)
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1. The Nation
The German people is a covenanted people who defeated the Roman empire, children of Wotan, standard bearer of human culture, guardian of glorious patrimony. The
German people is schooled in self-sacrifice and suffering; its vision, survivability and self-confidence are indestructable.

2. The Homeland
The Homeland is the Land of Germany within the borders delineated in 1871. This is the land of the living, where the entire nation shall live in safety.

3. The Nation and its Land
Germany united under the sword. There it became a great nation and only there it will be reborn. Hence Germany alone has a right to that land. This is an absolute right. It has never expired and never will.

4. The Goals
1. redemption of Sudetenland, East-Prussia, Austria and the Alsace.
2. Establishment of sovereignty in all German areas.
3. Revival of the nation.

There is no sovereignty for all Germans without the redemption of the stolen land, and there is no national revival without sovereignty.

5. Education
Educate the nation to love freedom and zealously guard Germany's eternal patrimony. Inculcate the idea that the nation is master to its own fate. Revive the doctrines of "mens sana in corpore sane".

6. Unity
The unification of the entire nation around the banner of the National Socialist movement. The use of the genius, status and resources of individuals and the channeling of the energy, devotion and revolutionary fervor of the masses for the war of liberation.

7. Pacts
Make pacts with all those who are willing to help the struggle of the organization and provide direct support.

8. Force
Consolidate and increase the fighting force, to become the National Socialist army of liberation with its flag, arms, and commanders.

9. War
Constant war against those who stand in the way of fulfilling the goals.

10. Conquest
The conquest of the stolen land from foreign rule and its eternal possession.

11. Sovereignty
Renewal of German sovereignty over all German territories.

12. Rule of Justice
The establishment of a social order in the spirit of traditional Aryan morality and natural law. Under such and order no one will go hungry or unemployed. All will live in harmony, mutual respect and friendship as an example to the world.

13. Reviving the Wilderness
Build the ruins and revive the wilderness for the advancement of the Aryan race and national prosperity.

14. Jews
Solve the jewish problem by forced migration and a national jewish boycot.

15. Redemption of the Stolen lands
Total ingathering of all Germans to their sovereign state.

16. Power
The German nation shall become a first-rate military, political, cultural and economic entity in the Europe and the rest of the western world.

17. Revival
The revival of pre-Christian German traditions and values by the entire nation, the renewal of the historical and spiritual might of Germany. The purification of the national character in the fire of revival.

18. Welthauptstadt Germania
The re-building of Berlin as 'Welthauptstadt Germania' to become a symbol of strength and righteousness of the German people.

to pretend that antisemitism is justified because of antisemitic stereotypes isn't that much different from pretending that white supremacy is justified because of stereotypes about nonwhites. it's racism. it's prejudice. it is a premise that robs an argument of credibility.

Most of the "hate" being attributed to Christians stems from what came to be known as the Spanish Inquisition,

and no doubt Hitler and perhaps others (not all that religious) used the Jews as a convenient scapegoat for public anger,

but since WWII, to say modern Christians hate Jews is hard to prove. I see anything but that.

The anti-Semitism of Hitler was a matter of race, not religion. Based upon the crackpot "science" of Gobineau, H.S. Chamberlain, probably Rosenberg and a bunch of other nutjobs, (the only American I can think of in this category being Madison Grant, who also curiously was one of the founders of the environmentalist movement in the US) Jews were Jews in their being and not their religion, or lack of. I've read a few cases where nuns of Jewish extraction were forcibly removed from nunneries and sent to death camps, that kind of thing.

And I think hostility to Jews is alive and well in places like Russia, whether or not such behavior is an official doctrine of the Orthodox Church.

The anti-Semitism of Hitler was a matter of race, not religion. Based upon the crackpot "science" of Gobineau, H.S. Chamberlain, probably Rosenberg and a bunch of other nutjobs, (the only American I can think of in this category being Madison Grant, who also curiously was one of the founders of the environmentalist movement in the US) Jews were Jews in their being and not their religion, or lack of. I've read a few cases where nuns of Jewish extraction were forcibly removed from nunneries and sent to death camps, that kind of thing.

Yes it is. Israel is far worse than the Nazis ever were.

How many Arab members of the Knesset are there? How many Jews in the Bundestag post 1933? Why did the Druze en masse petition the Israeli government to NOT exempt them from military service? (And hundreds of these Arabs have died fighting for Israel. Israel being the one country in the Middle East a Druze can openly practice their faith.)What can you point to in NS Germany that is remotely comparable. to this?