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07 Jul 2006, 4:35 pm

Emp, why are you still debating with Klass, when he has owned you everytime you spew whatever garbage you put on this thread?
It is clear that when it comes to the battle of wits, you tend to get owned easier than a village idiot trying to run off the reservation.
Funny how you don't like being bashed for your opinions, but yet you get PO'ed whenever someone postes something God,Jesus, or even a prayer request. Pot, Meet kettle.



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07 Jul 2006, 4:38 pm

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You use photos of terminally ill kids to make your point. Your posts come across as needlessly aggressive. You willfully misinterpret other people's opinions.


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You see a thread title in the list. You see that the author is listed as "emp". By your own choice, by your own free will and without any coercion, you click on it and read it. YOU caused MY words to be transmitted to your computer by your own explicit action. I did not send them to you. I did not knock on your door or send you an email. YOU chose to retrieve my thread and read it. YOU chose to read my opinions.

Failure to take responsibility for your own actions is a sign of immaturity.


I must have misinterpreted that, what did you mean to say here?


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07 Jul 2006, 4:45 pm

Owned once again, EMP. I suspect the more you post your manure, the more you prove how testularly challenged you are.



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07 Jul 2006, 4:52 pm

jaguars_fan wrote:
Emp, why are you still debating with Klass, when he has owned you everytime you spew whatever garbage you put on this thread?

"owned"? Are you a teenager? For your enjoyment, here are some creative ways that other teenagers use to say "owned":

"I f**king 0wn3d j00 n00b!!"
"OMGWTF you got owneredz by teh n00b?"
"PWN3D!"


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Funny how you don't like being bashed for your opinions

I said I was *NOT* complaining. Did you fail to see the "not" in my sentence? Here is a link to my message so you can re-read it:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/asperger.htm ... 361#250361



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07 Jul 2006, 5:00 pm

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emp wrote:
You see a thread title in the list. You see that the author is listed as "emp". By your own choice, by your own free will and without any coercion, you click on it and read it. YOU caused MY words to be transmitted to your computer by your own explicit action. I did not send them to you. I did not knock on your door or send you an email. YOU chose to retrieve my thread and read it. YOU chose to read my opinions.

Failure to take responsibility for your own actions is a sign of immaturity.


I must have misinterpreted that, what did you mean to say here?

Claiming that I am shoving my beliefs/opinions down your throat is failing to take responsibility for your own action (you explicitly chose to retrieve and read my thread/opinions; I did not knock on your door or send you an email).



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07 Jul 2006, 5:01 pm

emp wrote:
jaguars_fan wrote:
Emp, why are you still debating with Klass, when he has owned you everytime you spew whatever garbage you put on this thread?

"owned"? Are you a teenager? For your enjoyment, here are some creative ways that other teenagers use to say "owned":

"I f**king 0wn3d j00 n00b!!"
"OMGWTF you got owneredz by teh n00b?"
"PWN3D!"


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Funny how you don't like being bashed for your opinions

I said I was *NOT* complaining. Did you fail to see the "not" in my sentence? Here is a link to my message so you can re-read it:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/asperger.htm ... 361#250361


FYI, I'm 21 and not a teenager but it is apparent that your either 9 years old or have the mentality of that age. What a tool!



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07 Jul 2006, 5:10 pm

emp wrote:
klassobanieras wrote:
emp wrote:
You see a thread title in the list. You see that the author is listed as "emp". By your own choice, by your own free will and without any coercion, you click on it and read it. YOU caused MY words to be transmitted to your computer by your own explicit action. I did not send them to you. I did not knock on your door or send you an email. YOU chose to retrieve my thread and read it. YOU chose to read my opinions.

Failure to take responsibility for your own actions is a sign of immaturity.


I must have misinterpreted that, what did you mean to say here?

Claiming that I am shoving my beliefs/opinions down your throat is failing to take responsibility for your own action (you explicitly chose to retrieve and read my thread/opinions; I did not knock on your door or send you an email).


What's the matter turd, tired of getting owned. You are clearly not dealing with a full deck of cards which is pretty enertaining.
Let me know when your next birthday. I heard that you need a new pink purse.



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07 Jul 2006, 5:24 pm

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FYI, I'm 21 and not a teenager but it is apparent that your either 9 years old or have the mentality of that age. What a tool!

You do not seem to be aware of the correct meaning of "What a tool!". I know you are meaning the derogatory sense of the word "tool", but you have still used it in an incorrect context.

The American Heritage Dictionary defines the derogatory sense of "tool" as: "6. A person used to carry out the designs of another; a dupe" Similarly, Merriam-Webster says: "one that is used or manipulated by another".

However, you have not used me or obtained any benefit or advantage from me. Therefore calling me a "tool" is incorrect usage -- clearly you do not know what it means. You have just used it like a generic insult such as "d*ickhead", but that is NOT what it means.

So, you have attempted to insult me using a derogatory word that you did not even know the meaning of. This amuses me :)



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07 Jul 2006, 5:32 pm

emp wrote:
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FYI, I'm 21 and not a teenager but it is apparent that your either 9 years old or have the mentality of that age. What a tool!

You do not seem to be aware of the correct meaning of "What a tool!". I know you are meaning the derogatory sense of the word "tool", but you have still used it in an incorrect context.

The American Heritage Dictionary defines the derogatory sense of "tool" as: "6. A person used to carry out the designs of another; a dupe" Similarly, Merriam-Webster says: "one that is used or manipulated by another".

However, you have not used me or obtained any benefit or advantage from me. Therefore calling me a "tool" is incorrect usage -- clearly you do not know what it means. You have just used it like a generic insult such as "d*ickhead", but that is NOT what it means.

So, you have attempted to insult me using a derogatory word that you did not even know the meaning of. This amuses me :)


Actually you do serve a great use for me. Without you, their would be no one to kick around. Keep going tool, I can use some laughs.



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07 Jul 2006, 6:08 pm

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Actually you do serve a great use for me. Without you, their would be no one to kick around. Keep going tool, I can use some laughs.


In a joust, it is considered dishonorable to continue to lance your opponent after he is unhorsed.

It is also considered dishonorable to continue a joust after it is discovered that your opponent is no-where near a fair match, or only a boy or a novice.

Therefore to retain my honor, I must now stop lancing you and declare the joust at an end, for both of those reasons.



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07 Jul 2006, 6:54 pm

emp wrote:
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Actually you do serve a great use for me. Without you, their would be no one to kick around. Keep going tool, I can use some laughs.


In a joust, it is considered dishonorable to continue to lance your opponent after he is unhorsed.

It is also considered dishonorable to continue a joust after it is discovered that your opponent is no-where near a fair match, or only a boy or a novice.

Therefore to retain my honor, I must now stop lancing you and declare the joust at an end, for both of those reasons.


You jousting me? yeah right! The only person who is getting joust is you gonadless. Keep trying though, maybe one day you will be able to come up with a much better post, even a blind squrrel always finds its nut.



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07 Jul 2006, 8:02 pm

jaguars_fan, chill. You are fueling his fire, and giveing many of his statement truth. Emp you know what you are doing[or do you?]. Stop.

I cannot understand how you missed my posts. If you chose to ignore it, you prove my point. It was a direct statement the kind that needs a respond.
Now, for my rant:<fake rant>

Emp you *%&$^* how dare you insult 1337 culture with your foolishness!</fake rant>



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07 Jul 2006, 11:35 pm

'Tis interesting, I made a post explaining a revelation I had about my Aspergers, and EMP had to come along and tell me it was just genetics. Just interesting.

Emp, I think I need to explain somethings to you. 'Tis right, you do attack religion, in an attempt to get at christians. But obviously you don't subscribe to the theory of "know thine enemy". Let me tell you about REAL christians, as I can from my experience.

First of all, religion and true christianity are about as far apart as north and south. Here's the dictionary definition of Religion.

"1.Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
3. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
4. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
5. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion."

Ok, my God is not "supernatural". He is natural. He is nature. He doesnt sit up in some distant heaven looking down on puny human beings, throwing lightning bolts and the like. My God exists here, He lives in my heart. Moreover, He existed for a time on this earth as a man, which is natural.
My faith has nothing to do with a system at all.
My life has nothing to do with "religious order"
My beliefs, values and practices are based on a spirit, not the teachings of a spiritual leader. They are based on what God has revealed to me personally. Not what some fellow in a suit behind a pulpit has told me to believe, value or practice.
Finally, Christianity is not a cause, a principle or an activity. It is a way of life. It is a state of being. Above all, it is a relationship with Jesus. It is a marriage of my soul to him. And it is a choice. Totally based on free will.

See, the basis of Christianity, Emp, is free will and undeserved grace. God created the world. He created man and woman, and gave them a beautiful paradise to live in. They had a beautiful garden with everything they needed to live a wonderful life. I'm talking absolute paradise. God said "You can eat anything in the garden you want, except the fruit of that tree over there." Now, you might say, why give such a pointless choice? Well, God created humans for companionship. He didnt want robots. He already had the angels to do everything he said. He wanted an intelligent, thinking, companion, with the capability to feel. He had to give the the choice to be with him or not. That's one of the beauties of being a human, is our free will to choose what we want in life. But anyway, to make a long story short, they ate the fruit. And like any good parent, (cause that's what he is) God had to punish them. They couldnt trust him to provide for them, so he threw them out of the paradise to provide for themself. It hurt him like crazy to do that. But as all we aspies know, there is right and there is wrong. When you do right there are good consequences, and when you do wrong, there are bad consequences. Adam and Eve wanted to do their own thing, so God put them out to do just that.
Away from God, the species went down hill fast. It got so bad at one point that God felt he had to destroy the whole world and almost start again (the flood). Unfortunately though, left to our own devices, we tend to destroy ourselves and everything around us. God didnt want to intervene and take our free will away, but he didnt want us to continue on the path of death and destruction we chose for ourselves.
No one is perfect. Everyone has flaws, everyone has done bad things. The bible says "The wages of sin is death". God wants us to have eternal life, he wants to give us that perfect life Adam and Eve had. But while we're flawed and sinful, we can't exist in that perfect world. So God sent his only Son to earth. He sent Jesus to earth to tell us how much the father loves us. How much the father wants to have a relationship with us. He sent Jesus to teach us how to live better lives, not to destroy ourselves and those around us. Ultimately, he sent Jesus to die in our place. To be the scapegoat, the atoning sacrifice for our blemishes, so that we would be allowed into that perfect place. But still, we have free will. We have to choose to accept Jesus as the sacrifice. If we dont chose that, we reap the rewards of what our life has amounted to. And almost without exception, our lives reap the reward that those who don't choose Jesus will recieve. It is totally your choice.
The best thing about it all is (and this is the one thing christianity has that no other "religion" has), the gift is free. We don't have to earn it. We don't have to work to get to heaven. We don't have to do penance. We don't have to be good people, we just have to choose to accept Jesus. What follows after that is a natural conclusion.
The choices that I make, I try to make with the thankfullness and joy that God has placed in my heart. I try to live in a way that I would make God proud, even though he doesn't demand it of me. God made rules in the bible, to protect us, not hamper us. We can choose to follow those rules or not. But when you follow God's rules, you will be safe, you will be happy, and it will go well with you.
As to the points you keep bringing up about how God "lets things happen" to people, he has to. He gave us free will. If life was to be perfect, he would have to take that away. But God provides everything we need to make it through this life if we only will take it from him. Like the disabled children in my friend's school class. They might be "ret*ds" and physically disabled, but they are the happiest children I know. I would spend a day with them over the horrible 12 year old boys my brother hangs out with that are constantly ridiculing, judging, mocking and abusing everyone and everything around them.
Like I said in my other post, Emp, which you wrote off as genetics, I believe God has made me the way I am, AS and all. My life has been pretty tough, as I can imagine most other undiagnosed aspies lives have been. My suffering has been great. My faith has been through the fire, and refined. I have been through crisis, suicide attempts, sexual abuse, emotional abuse, marriage and relationships breakups, deaths, a break from the church, and most other things you could imagine and more. My faith is stronger today than it has ever been. God has gotten me through every thing that has come my way, and I know he will get me through this time of confusion and distress upon learning that I have AS. Each test makes me stronger, like fire tempers steel.

Now you know what you are really up against, Emp. I know with all certainty you will have "comebacks" to what I have said, but each of them will be empty attempts to snuff out the light that has illuminated your darkness. The light is so much better than the darkness, Emp. Try it. Come into the light. It will be painful to start off with, but it will be so much better than the darkness.
However, if you want to stay where you are, it is entirely your choice. But at least now you're better informed as to what you're dealing with.


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08 Jul 2006, 3:39 am

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No one was forcing you to read this thread here. Reading it was your own choice. Take responsibility for your own actions. BTW, I am not an atheist. I am a most-likely-ist.




"Most-likely-ist" is not a belief, it is a criteria for selecting a belief. You and I both use the criteria of what is "most likely" to adopt a belief in atheism.

Also, it appears that everyone here is trying to get Emp to admit what he´s doing. That will not happen. You cannot get me to admit that I am wearing a red shirt no matter what you do if I don´t want too. I think it has been shown what has been happening, and that is all that can be done.


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08 Jul 2006, 7:15 am

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"Most-likely-ist" is not a belief, it is a criteria for selecting a belief. You and I both use the criteria of what is "most likely" to adopt a belief in atheism.


jonathan79, I agree that 'most-likely' is certainly a legitimate criterion for selecting a belief system or reilgion. However (and I'm sure emp will correct me if I'm wrong) emp's description of himself as a 'most-likely-ist' seemed to me to indicate that regardless of his current views, he is willing to change his beliefs if/when convincing new data present themselves.

It seems like a logical position to me.



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jonathan79 wrote:
"Most-likely-ist" is not a belief, it is a criteria for selecting a belief. You and I both use the criteria of what is "most likely" to adopt a belief in atheism.


jonathan79, I agree that 'most-likely' is certainly a legitimate criterion for selecting a belief system or reilgion. However (and I'm sure emp will correct me if I'm wrong) emp's description of himself as a 'most-likely-ist' seemed to me to indicate that regardless of his current views, he is willing to change his beliefs if/when convincing new data present themselves.

It seems like a logical position to me.


Isn´t that what I just said?!?!?!? I don´t get your post. If something else becomes more likely then I too am willing to change my views. Hence, most-likely is a criterion for adopting a view, it is not the view itself. Emp is trying to say he is a most likely-ist so that he cannot be called an attacking atheist, a clever slight of hand I must say. As he says:


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Ah. Well, it cannot be said that I am shoving my atheist beliefs down anyones throats considering that I am not an atheist. You and jaguars_fan's seem to have missed that part. I do not have any atheist beliefs to shove down people's throats. Therefore it still does not make sense.


and..

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For the record, I am not an atheist. I am a most-likely-ist.



Tricks people!! ! Tricks!! ! Did he get you too?!? 8O


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