Stupid royal wedding

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Amazing, you brought up the nearly 400 year old Commonwealth of England as an argument against Westminister Parliamentary republicanism and you're accusing me of being stuck in a "imperial timewarp". And, given that my paternal line was victimized by British Imperialism in the not so distant past, STFU.

Regardless, my agrument wasn't even about imperialism. It was about classism and the British (and, nominally, the "Canadian") Monarch epitomizes this. Some Royal Family members are decent people, others are pricks with a collosal sense of entitlement, but regardless it's an institution that breeds elitism and deference for meritless wealth.

MOPE, MOPE, MOPE.

Technically, the PM is Head of Government while the Monarch (and, de facto, the Governor-General) is the Head of State. I'd really like to give the GG some powers while downplaying the more "presidential" aspects of the PM's job, as I don't like the American model of an Imperial Presidency.

Monarchy/royalty is about as degrading as slavery yet many accept and support such an elitist institution almost with glee. But I guess that's the essence of the herd mentality. Their ultimate goal is to hold the chamber (piss) pot for the aristocracy or if they're really lucky to wipe the royal feces with their hands so they can say they got close to royalty.

For a person who cries about immigation and "The EU", you sure are one to talk. Theln again, most xenophobes are notoriously hypocritical and insenstive.

Do you really want the person who is deciding whether or not to accede to a Prime Minister's request for dissolution to be accountable to the Chamber that the Prime Minister is seeking to dissolve?

Can a Parliament forestall its own dissolution by removing the Governor-general?

Absolutely. If everyone in Parliament agrees that enough work's been done, then sure, let the PM dissolve it. If not, then the PM shouldn't get to lock down parliament if work done becomes humiliating to him - Long Live Parliamentary Supremacy!!

Big difference with that.

There is widespread public support for the monarchy. There is neither for mass immigration and/or the EU project. And this is replicated throughout many of the other countries of the EU.

The elites here won't give us a referendum on the EU, because they know they'd probably lose. Or, as in the second case of the Irish Lisbon Treaty vote, they'd employ extreme bullying tactics in order to cow the people into submission. They'd use the taxpayer's money against them to intimidate them into voting for their own submission and subjugation.

Another tried-and-tested, well-worn tactic of left-wing globalists is to accuse anyone who disagrees with them of xenophobia/racism. It really is an ineffective tactic; people here have been called that for so long and with such vehemence here that they've stopped listening. They know they aren't racists and that is good enough for them.

The problem never was the immigrants in the first place. If someone offers you circumstances that are vastly better than what you've got already, what do you do? You take it. Britain, and to a lesser extent Ireland and very much so in some of the Northern European countries, were/are seen as the land of free handouts. The people living in those countries are increasingly resenting this and because they are treated with comtempt by the establishment parties, vote for smaller, 'protest' outfits instead.

Or, even within the EU: why should a British taxpayer be forced to pay for roads in Bucharest? Why should a German taxpayer have to fork out for infrastructure in Plovdiv? Our own, largely Victorian, infrastructure in Britain is crumbling and badly needs an overhaul. So why should we put other countries' needs at the expense of our own?

Only problem is that the people who are doing the 'giving' were never really asked if they agreed to this.

It's only really a matter of time now: once the Germans decide they've had enough, that's the end of it. Their wallets (and patience!) won't last forever.

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In all honesty our monarchy needs reforming more long the lines of the Dutch monarchy.
I have hear (tho don't quote me) that under the Constitution of the Netherlands a Dutch citizen can have the right to a five minute face to face talk with there monarch about an issue that concerns them.

"King? King? I didn't know we had a king, I thought we were an autonomous anarcho syndicalist commune..."

Ah, If only.....

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All I know is that $80,000 wedding cake sounds serious. I wonder if they could refrigerate and ship a piece to the US for a small fee...

Recent events in Iraq, where the prime minister managed to hang on despite losing an election, suggests that given a parlaimentary government, the presidential model is inferior to the royal model. Of course, a president can be created out of nothing; that's more difficult with royalty.

There is actually a sizeable section of the British public that wants to abolish the monarchy. Most of the working class people in Wales and in England north of Coventry, for example. The working-class, monarchist Tory thing is more common in Southern England, though it happens up here sometimes (my gran on my dad's side, for example). There are people in this country who are descended from people who worked in mines and mills who were all socialist before the Thatcher government completely destroyed all their self-respect. The monarchy represents everything that kept their ancestors down and they don't give a crap about it. The ones that have jobs only care about getting a bank holiday today

I think a fair amount of these people would abolish the monarchy if they could be bothered to. They've always had other things on their mind (at the moment, it's mostly immigrants and public service cuts).

The other group of people who want to abolish the monarchy are the more idealistic Guardian readers and some of the left-wing intelligentsia; they just don't like the monarchy on principle.

I'm kind of in both groups of republicans - one by upbringing and the other by education.

Reform for within the great unwashed family has gone out the window. Billy the fish did tell his grandmother Brenda to do one over giving him a peerage. Grandmother knows best has she has been stilling the great UK loo of 59 years now.

Now the next tax payer funder party is next year the Diamond Jubilee, Brenda's 60th year on the toilet.

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it would be a good start if we could get rid of the sponging farts in the House of Lords first
When the OAP day centre in Westminster had gone for good then it time for an el presidente.