26 Jul 2012, 2:30 pm
ArrantPariah wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
Men are seen less as providers over here, and I know a lot of relationships where the woman is the breadwinner, and they're happy with that.
Well, that's great!
I was expecting you to go, 'no women are gold diggers everywhere', or something.
26 Jul 2012, 2:51 pm
HisDivineMajesty wrote:
Apparently, among others, the answer: Djibouti, Zimbabwe, Armenia, Bangladesh, Mauritania, El Salvador, Estonia, Sierra Leone and Russia.
All of those have a lot more women than they have men in the category 15-64. That explains why the Russian mail order bride business means big money.
All of those have a lot more women than they have men in the category 15-64. That explains why the Russian mail order bride business means big money.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... china.html
Quote:
One feature of the Russian-Chinese relationship seemed especially telling: Cross-border marriages are overwhelmingly between Chinese men and Russian women. Much of this has to do with demographics—Russia has a surplus of women, while China has too many men. But as one Russian woman told me, "Chinese men are kinder and more attentive to their wives. And they usually have more money."
I had the impression that most Chinese people only liked to marry other Chinese people, and that Chinese men were pursuing Vietnamese brides because of similar cultures, racial characteristics, etc. And, as the article mentions, Russia does have its share of xenophobia.
But, markets have to clear, one way or another.
I also had the impression that the Russian bride business was dominated by mafia-scammers. Hopefully, I am wrong about that, too.
The most famous Sino-Russian marriage was between Chiang Kai-Shek's son, Chiang Li-Fan (who became ruler of Taiwan upon his father's death), and Faina Ipat'evna Vakhreva, better known as Chiang Fang-liang.
26 Jul 2012, 7:45 pm
Here is the Russian population pyramid
Genders seem to be relatively even until about the age of 30. After that, men are gradually, and then abruptly, disappearing from the population.
Vladimir Putin is talking about taking steps to reverse Russia's population decline
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... cline.html
Quote:
As part of demographic policies, the government will combat widespread alcohol and drug abuse and entice some 300,000 migrants a year to Russia, Putin said, also proposing monthly cash incentives for women to bear more than two children.
Given the way Russian men seem to succumb to smoking, excessive drinking, and unhealthy lifestyles, resulting in early death, I can see why a lot of Russian women might be looking for a foreign husband.
I don't know who is going to migrate to Russia. A lot of people moved to America for the higher wages. Who wants to migrate to Russia for lower wages? Possibly Chinese bachelors, although some other things that I've read indicated that Chinese were not wholehearted welcomed there.
26 Jul 2012, 7:48 pm
26 Jul 2012, 9:34 pm
puddingmouse wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
Men are seen less as providers over here, and I know a lot of relationships where the woman is the breadwinner, and they're happy with that.
Well, that's great!
I was expecting you to go, 'no women are gold diggers everywhere', or something.Sorry to disappoint.
26 Jul 2012, 10:33 pm
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Taiwan seems to have a huge market for Vietnamese brides, too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese ... _in_Taiwan
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...The circumstances of the Vietnamese that go to Taiwan as brides are depressingly common. Most brides originate from the remote countryside of Vietnam. It has been observed that more than half of the Vietnamese women recruited into migrant marriages come from the rural Mekong Delta region. As is also common in labor migration, the primary motivation in most migrant marriages, from the female perspective, is economy and security. The majority of Vietnamese women come from families that suffer from unpaid debts, bad seasons of crop, or jobless family members. Marriage brokers who promise a life of prosperity overseas lure women to Taiwan. While a Taiwanese man may pay up to $10,000 USD to arrange for a migrant marriage, the woman’s family may only see as little as $100 USD of that money. The broker absorbs the rest. Nevertheless, most women, in agreeing to marriage, are under the impression that they will be able to find work in Taiwan and send money back to their families in Vietnam. In one survey of origin households in Vietnam, researchers asked the parents of marriage migrants why their daughters chose to migrate to Taiwan. The top three answers reported were “To help the family” (61.6%), “For a better life” (10.8%), and “To make parents happy” (6.3%)....
Taiwanese men who marry women from Southeast Asia are typically drawn from a less educated and disadvantaged population. While Taiwanese husbands tend to have more education than their Vietnamese brides, they still fall below the average levels of education in Taiwan.[5] Many times a man can be more than a decade, or possibly two to three decades, older than his migrant bride. Seventy percent of Vietnamese brides are under 23 years of age, while over eighty percent of their Taiwanese grooms are aged over 30. All of these factors (lack of education, disadvantage, and advanced age) typically contribute to trouble in finding a bride locally and thus increase the desire to enter a migrant marriage. For many Taiwanese men, migrant marriages can seem like an easy solution to their household troubles, as a wife can act as a reproductive unit, a housekeeper, and a nurse to his parents. In one study, the percentage of women who reported “housework” as their primary occupation rose from 16.7% while located in Vietnam to 52.4% after being relocated to Taiwan. As can be seen in a woman’s primary motivation for marriage (“To help the family”), the Vietnamese have strong familial ties and practice high subservience to a patriarchal structure. This trait is highly prized by some Taiwanese men who feel that Taiwanese women are beginning to wrest away from the constraints of a patriarchal society...
Taiwanese men who marry women from Southeast Asia are typically drawn from a less educated and disadvantaged population. While Taiwanese husbands tend to have more education than their Vietnamese brides, they still fall below the average levels of education in Taiwan.[5] Many times a man can be more than a decade, or possibly two to three decades, older than his migrant bride. Seventy percent of Vietnamese brides are under 23 years of age, while over eighty percent of their Taiwanese grooms are aged over 30. All of these factors (lack of education, disadvantage, and advanced age) typically contribute to trouble in finding a bride locally and thus increase the desire to enter a migrant marriage. For many Taiwanese men, migrant marriages can seem like an easy solution to their household troubles, as a wife can act as a reproductive unit, a housekeeper, and a nurse to his parents. In one study, the percentage of women who reported “housework” as their primary occupation rose from 16.7% while located in Vietnam to 52.4% after being relocated to Taiwan. As can be seen in a woman’s primary motivation for marriage (“To help the family”), the Vietnamese have strong familial ties and practice high subservience to a patriarchal structure. This trait is highly prized by some Taiwanese men who feel that Taiwanese women are beginning to wrest away from the constraints of a patriarchal society...
Patriarchal: 'Dems fightin' words! to the Western Feminist.
Here is a mass wedding, of Vietnamese brides in Taiwan:
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 17,00.html
Quote:
....As less desirable men find themselves snubbed by Taiwan's sophisticated women, one in four grooms in Taiwan now marries a bride from Southeast Asia or mainland China. "There's a strong urban bias in Taiwan," says Professor Hsia Hsiao-chuan of Shih Hsin University's Graduate Institute of Social Transformation Studies. "That means farmers and blue-collar workers have a hard time finding wives." But the rejected and dejected are treated like kings by professional matchmakers, who take them on trips to browse for brides in poorer parts of Asia....
At that rate, Vietnam is going to be running clear out of women.
30 Nov 2012, 4:14 pm
ArrantPariah wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
Perhaps it's different in Asia, where women have higher expectations about a man's earning potential. I know as a working class person from a European country that no such expectations exist amongst the bulk of women.
I suspect that, given the choice between a highly-paid doctor, a business executive, a janitor, or a disabled man living on disability payments, most European women would prefer the doctor or the business executive. Most US women would, anyway. Maybe European ladies are more egalitarian.
Given that realm of choices, I'd prefer a man who's a doctor, though he wouldn't have to be high-paid (indeed, I'd prefer it if he wasn't working 80 hours a week), because I work in health care and am well-educated, and would prefer a husband I have something in common with and wouldn't be going, "durrr... duh..." whenever I tried to talk about anything more complex than football.
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