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ValentineWiggin
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19 May 2011, 9:44 pm

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I know that it is people between the ages 50 and 64 who support the legalization of prostitution the most.

That really does sound like garbage-
the people I see cheering for prostitution are ALWAYS young, usually male, supposedly-liberal types-
older generations oppose it either because of sexual conservatism or the feminist issues involved in normalizing women's bodies as a literal product sold to male buyers.



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19 May 2011, 9:48 pm

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It's much easier for people to make money off of pornography.


You must be joking- nearly ANY one female could head downtown and work at least ten hours a day until middle age;
porn chews people up and spits people out in at the VERY most a few years: the product isn't so "fresh" looking after drugs, gang-bangs, and being sodomized at every "job" until anal prolapse occurs.



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19 May 2011, 9:51 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
Dessie wrote:
I know that it is people between the ages 50 and 64 who support the legalization of prostitution the most.

That really does sound like garbage-
the people I see cheering for prostitution are ALWAYS young, usually male, supposedly-liberal types-
older generations oppose it either because of sexual conservatism or the feminist issues involved in normalizing women's bodies as a literal product sold to male buyers.


There are women out there that support prostitution so don't blame it all on men. Furthermore, there are men in the world, like myself for instance, that is against prostitution in general.



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19 May 2011, 9:59 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
Dessie wrote:
I know that it is people between the ages 50 and 64 who support the legalization of prostitution the most.

That really does sound like garbage-
the people I see cheering for prostitution are ALWAYS young, usually male, supposedly-liberal types-
older generations oppose it either because of sexual conservatism or the feminist issues involved in normalizing women's bodies as a literal product sold to male buyers.


There are women out there that support prostitution so don't blame it all on men. Furthermore, there are men in the world, like myself for instance, that is against prostitution in general.


~facepalm~



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20 May 2011, 8:52 am

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There are women out there that support prostitution so don't blame it all on men. Furthermore, there are men in the world, like myself for instance, that is against prostitution in general.


You say you are against prostitution in general. Are you in favor of it in particular and special instances?

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20 May 2011, 11:04 am

ValentineWiggin wrote:
Dessie wrote:
I know that it is people between the ages 50 and 64 who support the legalization of prostitution the most.

That really does sound like garbage-
the people I see cheering for prostitution are ALWAYS young, usually male, supposedly-liberal types-
older generations oppose it either because of sexual conservatism or the feminist issues involved in normalizing women's bodies as a literal product sold to male buyers.


That's is kind of what I though when I first heard this. According to my professor there was some or other survey a few years ago that asked that very question. I'm wondering again now if she's full of it after all. I'm going to look it up and see if I can find the survery.



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20 May 2011, 11:10 am

ValentineWiggin wrote:
Dessie wrote:
It's much easier for people to make money off of pornography.


You must be joking- nearly ANY one female could head downtown and work at least ten hours a day until middle age;
porn chews people up and spits people out in at the VERY most a few years: the product isn't so "fresh" looking after drugs, gang-bangs, and being sodomized at every "job" until anal prolapse occurs.


Okay, you're right about that.

I shouldn't have used the word "people." I wasn't speaking of everyone or "any one female", I was thinking of companies and the government and how pornongraphy is more regulated than prostitution.

Bad communication on my part. Sorry! :oops:



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20 May 2011, 11:16 am

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What about porn. Porn is no different. They get paid to have sex. Why do porn stars have that right but normal women and men dont have the right to sell their bodies.


This is just a guess, but I'm thinking: MONEY. It's much easier for people to make money off of pornography. Companies and stores sell it. Actors and actresses get paid a lot to star in movies like that; for some reason they are glamorized and idolized by some. And porn is more in the public eye...everyone knows what it is, it's all over the Internet, and it's accessable to pretty much everyone. I'd have to say that society has made porn the more acceptable of the two. Prostitutes often hide what they do, making it seem like something dirty and shameful; it's not very public and only the prostitute really makes money off of what she does.

This might be nitpicking, but... My understanding of how it works in a lot of cases is that most, if not all of the proceeds usually go towards a pimp.



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20 May 2011, 12:22 pm

dionysian wrote:
Dessie wrote:
thewrll wrote:
What about porn. Porn is no different. They get paid to have sex. Why do porn stars have that right but normal women and men dont have the right to sell their bodies.


This is just a guess, but I'm thinking: MONEY. It's much easier for people to make money off of pornography. Companies and stores sell it. Actors and actresses get paid a lot to star in movies like that; for some reason they are glamorized and idolized by some. And porn is more in the public eye...everyone knows what it is, it's all over the Internet, and it's accessable to pretty much everyone. I'd have to say that society has made porn the more acceptable of the two. Prostitutes often hide what they do, making it seem like something dirty and shameful; it's not very public and only the prostitute really makes money off of what she does.

This might be nitpicking, but... My understanding of how it works in a lot of cases is that most, if not all of the proceeds usually go towards a pimp.


And you'd be right and I'd be wrong. I made TWO mistakes in one post. My bad. Again. That's what I get for trying to act like I know something when really I don't. :roll:


Dessie wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
Dessie wrote:
I know that it is people between the ages 50 and 64 who support the legalization of prostitution the most.

That really does sound like garbage-
the people I see cheering for prostitution are ALWAYS young, usually male, supposedly-liberal types-
older generations oppose it either because of sexual conservatism or the feminist issues involved in normalizing women's bodies as a literal product sold to male buyers.


That's is kind of what I though when I first heard this. According to my professor there was some or other survey a few years ago that asked that very question. I'm wondering again now if she's full of it after all. I'm going to look it up and see if I can find the survery.


That particular bit of info is from the Sourcebook of Criminal Justice Statistics (1997 version). I think the book itself is out of print but I found the table with the data on it copied here: http://druglibrary.net/schaffer/GovPubs ... tost_2.htm

It's the third pdf file under "Pornography, prostitution, and homosexuality" (near the bottom of the webpage).

Looking at the source itself I believe the textbook and the professor skewed this info a bit:

Of the respondents 26% believed prostitution should be legalized, 70% believed it should be illegal, 4% didn't care.

Of those in favor of legaliztion age cohort 50 to 64 had the highest number of respondents.

Of those who believed it should be illegal age cohort 65+ had the highest number of respondents.

I think I kind of see what happened here. Even though ages 50 to 64 had the highest number of respondents in favor of legalizing prostituion they are still the minority. Most people in that 50 to 64 do believe that prostitution should be illegal.

So, ValentineWiggin you were correct after all. This is garbage. Even worse, it's confusing garbage. :huh:



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20 May 2011, 12:37 pm

Dessie wrote:

I know that it is people between the ages 50 and 64 who support the legalization of prostitution the most.



Hmmm....I wonder why that could be?

Maybe because most of them don't know how to find internet pornography?



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20 May 2011, 3:54 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:

There are women out there that support prostitution so don't blame it all on men. Furthermore, there are men in the world, like myself for instance, that is against prostitution in general.


You say you are against prostitution in general. Are you in favor of it in particular and special instances?


I'm not one to force my culture on other people, that said if someone wants to move to this country they should respect our culture and not try to force their culture on us.



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20 May 2011, 5:56 pm

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I'm not one to force my culture on other people, that said if someone wants to move to this country they should respect our culture and not try to force their culture on us.


How is this relevant to the present discussion? No-one is ever "forced" to hire a prostitute, or engage in any other economic transaction.

Or, do you feel that everyone who wants a bit of sex should just fly to the Dominican Republic? :wink:



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20 May 2011, 6:45 pm

If someone EVER does prostitution, the day you stop should be the day you get plastic surgery on your face because you'll always be recognized and condemned by all who knew.



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21 May 2011, 12:20 am

^I a society were prostitution has such social stigma. Former prostitutes don't need to do much. Anyone who would know they were prostitutes wouldn't be able to disclose it without also going through the same shame.

It is a joy we are growing up a little from that.

ValentineWiggin wrote:
Dessie wrote:
It's much easier for people to make money off of pornography.


You must be joking- nearly ANY one female could head downtown and work at least ten hours a day until middle age;
porn chews people up and spits people out in at the VERY most a few years: the product isn't so "fresh" looking after drugs, gang-bangs, and being sodomized at every "job" until anal prolapse occurs.
I think Dessie meant that it is easier to make money off porn than out of prostitution when you are not the porn star / prostitute. Edit: Meh, Dessie already addressed this.

There are many different porn markets and styles.

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21 May 2011, 8:23 am

ValentineWiggin wrote:
Dessie wrote:
I know that it is people between the ages 50 and 64 who support the legalization of prostitution the most.

That really does sound like garbage-
the people I see cheering for prostitution are ALWAYS young, usually male, supposedly-liberal types-
older generations oppose it either because of sexual conservatism or the feminist issues involved in normalizing women's bodies as a literal product sold to male buyers.


Prostitution is nothing new, but opposition to it is fairly recent (it started with feminism, but feminism is divided on the issue). Earlier societies weren't against it per se because, of course, all women were basically property and that was a given. It's just wasn't what 'good' women did.

I should think the boomer generation would have divided opinions on the issue. I don't think young men are more supportive of prostitution, just men in general. I think a lot of women have a problem with prostitution on a emotional level - regardless of whether or not they support its legalisation. Men often don't understand this. I've devised a thought experiment to explain why:

Imagine there was a third gender of humans that had tentacles like the Centauri off Babylon 5. This type of human was mainly attracted to males and could get human males pregnant. Imagine that this third gender was overwhelmingly more powerful than the others throughout most of history and developed a culture where human males were largely seen as property. Recently, there had been sexual equality movements; men and women in about a third of the countries in the world were becoming more equal to the tentacle people. Even in less developed countries, some progress was made. Some men formed deep, loving relationships with the tentacle people on a bond of equality. They started to share childrearing responsibilities and men started to have more economic power.

However, many of the tentacle people (especially the ones who felt frustrated with not being able to find the right man) thought it was their right to buy men. They also watched a lot of porn of men and tentacles and developed a billion dollar industry around it. Some men enjoyed working in the tentacle sex industry but some of them were abused, badly. A lot of the men who were in loving relationships with their tentacles felt that the whole business cheapened them as a gender - even though it was the oldest industry in the world and wasn't going away any time soon. They dreamed of a day when tentacle people really would see them as equals and not feel the need to buy them. However, some men contended it was their right to sell sex if they want to, and they DID have a point. So, the different movements for sexual equality were split on this issue. The debate went round and round in circles. :lol:


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