Palestinian Preconditions for Peace
21 May 2011, 12:18 am
John_Browning wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
I trust Israel with Nuclear weapons a lot more than I do North Korea or Iran.
So do I. But Israel has engaged in the same sort of weapon swapping behavior as them, with a pariah state. I think it would increase Israel's prestige and credibility if they would sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, like most countries in possession of nuclear weapons. This just guarantees they are not going to spread the technology around. If it becomes too widely available, eventually nuclear terrorism will become a reality. Additionally if Israel became a participant of the NNPT they could help enforce it and help prevent proliferation of nuclear weapons amongst their enemies. So its really win-win, except that they don't want to give up the advantage that having nuclear weapon technology for sale gives them if they really need something from another culture. Its despicable
Unlike most Muslim nations, Israel is extremely limited as to who they can safely trade technology with, and they might not have anyone left.
Its not like they would make an open thing about it anyways. But being a signatory is a step in the direction of proving that peace is what a country wants. Its not taking their nukes away, its simply ensuring they aren't going to give the technology or the weapons themselves away
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21 May 2011, 12:33 am
Inuyasha wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Uh considering they would hide weapons in everything from medical supplies, to even canned beans, the best thing for Israel to do is simply have a total blockade and search every item that enters Gaza Strip.
BS. If Israel just cared about weapons (by the way, why are you supporting GUN CONTROL here?), then they'd let the Flotillas pass once they found no weapons aboard.
Last I checked Gaza Strip wasn't a US territory, nor is Israel.
Okay, so all your anti-gun control arguments aren't based on any universal principle, like "gun controls create black markets" or "gun controls don't work", but rather on the idiosyncracies of one nation's constitution? Nice to know.
Inuyasha wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Furthermore, the Palestinians need to recognize Israel's right to exist, which they won't do.
It's quite apparent to anyone with three brain cells that, at the bargining table, Israel's right to exist would be recognized in exchange for a concessions by the Israelis and perhaps recognition of PALESTINE'S RIGHT TO EXIST.
And you honestly expect me to believe that a people that want to kill every Jew down to the last baby, will suddenly stop hating like that. I'm sorry but you are incredibly naive to believe that...
Okay, evidence pleasse for the statement that most Palestinians or even most members of Hamas want to kill every Jew down to the last baby. Further request for evidence that this isn't just (repugnant) empty rhetoric.
Inuyasha wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Israel is forcibly preventing a Palestinian state, which is a million times worse than merely rhetorically not recognizing a right to exist.
You left out the reason why (probably because you know it completely destroys your argument) Israel is taking that stance, because next thing to happen is they'll end up being attacked all over again by people bent on the extermination of every Israeli.
BS. Of the Palestinians who actually have citizenship rights, most don't want to wantonly kill Israelis.
Inuyasha wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
If Israel is opposed to a two-state solution over logistical reasons, than they should incorporate all the displaced Palestinians into their state and give them full citizenship rights rather than ruling over a martial occupation.
If you studied your history you would know every Muslim that did not flee Israel when it became a country are Israeli citizens and even have a voice in the Israeli Government.
So? The major problem are the later Palestinians who were put under Israeli occupation by subsequent conquests without being given citizenship rights. Israel's Prime Minister Nutanyahu even said at the post-WH meeting event that Israel wouldn't accept Palestinian refuggees because it would dilute the "Jewish character" of Israel.
Inuyasha wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Your beliefs when it comes to the human rights of many people are simply despicable.
After your comments that the Israelis don't have a right to defend themselves, you have absolutely no business lecturing me about human rights.
Bulldozing houses, denying people citizenship rights, setting up excessive martial checkpoints, blockading huge regions, and dividing families go well beyond "defense". They constitute state terror.
Inuyasha wrote:
Why do you support a bunch of fanatics that want to commit genocide? The people in control of the Palestinians right now are a bunch of fanatics bent on the murdering every Israeli, so the question is valid.
Okay, you're officially out of touch with reality.
Inuyasha wrote:
Is it cause you don't recognize good and evil?
It's because I'm not an idiot and recognize situationally dependent evil that can be reduced by not acting like a evil prick yourself. It's because, unlike you, I don't have a manichean view of the world and realize the complexities of political conflicts.
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"Because the news had given up reporting them as political struggles, it meant there was now no way to understand why these terrible events were happening."
Despite your hatred of the left, it looks like you share a trait with some of the most unreflective hippies imaginable.
Inuyasha wrote:
Or is it cause you don't believe the Jewish people have a right to even exist?
There's a huge gap between supporting "the right" of a people to exist and supporting the right of a state based on ethnic nationalism to subjugate another people in an Apartheid like manner.
Inuyasha wrote:
The Israelis aren't out to kill the Palestinians (and in all honesty they could slaughter a good portion of the Palestinian Population in a matter of hours). Hamas has demonstrated they want to murder every Israeli.
Hamas actually demonstrates that they're willing to use terrorism under the impression it'll speed up the goal of creating a Palestinian state. While a horrid behaviour, it mirrors the behaviours of people like Yigal Amir who think killing politicians is the best way to prevent a Palestinian state.
21 May 2011, 3:23 am
Master_Pedant wrote:
Hamas actually demonstrates that they're willing to use terrorism under the impression it'll speed up the goal of creating a Palestinian state. While a horrid behaviour, it mirrors the behaviours of people like Yigal Amir who think killing politicians is the best way to prevent a Palestinian state.
Wings nuts like Yigal Amir prove there are Jewish extremists who are just as bad a** as any Palestinian Militant or Jihadi Extremist. The Gush Emunim and followers of the late Mair Kahane are just as dangerous and unpleasant as active members of al Qedah.
Here is the main difference. Assassinations such as those done by Yigal Amir are relatively rare. Acts of terrorism (suicide bombings in particular) are performed several times a week by Muslim extremists. That is just a matter of documented fact. As the Hamas people like to say: We love death as much as the Jews love life.
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