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24 May 2011, 1:08 pm

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1) Proof of God
2) Proof of my sanity upon seeing proof of God

Proof of God's sanity not required

Well he must have multiple personality disorder if he thinks he's a 3 in 1 package ...

Nah, that is just some goofy idea some man/men dreamed up.

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24 May 2011, 1:46 pm

Falsifiable proof.

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24 May 2011, 1:57 pm

leejosepho wrote:

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1) Proof of God
2) Proof of my sanity upon seeing proof of God

Proof of God's sanity not required

Well he must have multiple personality disorder if he thinks he's a 3 in 1 package ...

Nah, that is just some goofy idea some man/men dreamed up.

You mean the ones that created the Bible? Is the Trinity not a Biblical concept?

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24 May 2011, 2:02 pm

God could probably walk down out of the sky walk up to an Atheist and slap said atheist. The Atheist still wouldn't believe God was real even when God is standing right in front of their face.

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24 May 2011, 2:17 pm

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God could probably walk down out of the sky walk up to an Atheist and slap said atheist. The Atheist still wouldn't believe God was real even when God is standing right in front of their face.

I'd have to rule out insanity before I believe it's not just me, and it's reasonable for me to do so since there's things like schizophrenia, temporal lobe epilepsy, etc. You're implying that I would have reasons to deny, but why wouldn't I want God to exist? Why wouldn't I want the comfort of someone watching over me and the hopes that someday I'll be able to see my dead family members?

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24 May 2011, 2:19 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:

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God could probably walk down out of the sky walk up to an Atheist and slap said atheist. The Atheist still wouldn't believe God was real even when God is standing right in front of their face.

So a handprint to the side of your face wouldn't be proof for you?

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24 May 2011, 2:19 pm

If some Being came up to me and claimed to be God, why should I believe It? What proof ought to be forthcoming?

If God wants acceptance as fact then It must behave in such a way that there can be no reasonable doubt of Its claims.

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24 May 2011, 2:22 pm

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If some Being came up to me and claimed to be God, why should I believe It? What proof ought to be forthcoming?

Ask to see his badge.

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24 May 2011, 2:23 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

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God could probably walk down out of the sky walk up to an Atheist and slap said atheist. The Atheist still wouldn't believe God was real even when God is standing right in front of their face.

So a handprint to the side of your face wouldn't be proof for you?

It would be once I rule out insanity. But that's the tricky part.

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If some Being came up to me and claimed to be God, why should I believe It? What proof ought to be forthcoming?

Ask to see his badge.

Agent Yeshua, get down on the ground and put your hands behind your back! I have a warrant for your rapture, you can't run or hide!

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24 May 2011, 2:32 pm

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If some being comes up to you and claims to be god, I strongly advise you to cut him/it/her. Walk away, go on with your work, ignore [I will say it].

It is worse than meeting thde Buddha on the road - I am not convinced it is even advisasble to try to kill it.

Reported incidents of this sort of thing happening indicate highly undesirable outcomes if the person approached buys into it.

Reputable gods do not do that sort of thing. Even the rather disreputable gods of the classic IndoEuropean pantheon in the stories told go around in disguise. Even Zeus does not swagger in to the inn and say "Hey, I'm Zeus, who would like to help me make a demigod?"

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24 May 2011, 3:45 pm

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Uh, maybe something like finding yourself face-down and blinded?!

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24 May 2011, 3:54 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

AceOfSpades wrote:

Moog wrote:

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1) Proof of God
2) Proof of my sanity upon seeing proof of God

Proof of God's sanity not required

Well he must have multiple personality disorder if he thinks he's a 3 in 1 package ...

Nah, that is just some goofy idea some man/men dreamed up.

You mean the ones that created the Bible?

No, "the bible" is an assemblage of books (separate writings), and not an original (single) literary work.

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Is the Trinity not a Biblical concept?

Some people say it is, some say it is not, and I tend to think the second group is correct.

The strongest "trinity" arguments I have ever heard seem able to show either/and/or trinity/triune "shadowed" throughout even the physical realm, but the best "non-trinity" argument even matches in principle its very own single report/statement:

"... the first and most important article of faith is the shema, that YHWH is one, and there is only one YHWH. I have learned from experience that unless that most basic point is agreed upon there can be no right fellowship. It is the most basic truth of our faith." (Mountain Jew)

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24 May 2011, 8:08 pm

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Uh, maybe something like finding yourself face-down and blinded?!

Paul confused epilepsy or grand mal with an encounter with The Lord.

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24 May 2011, 8:41 pm

Modern technology has clearly demonstrated that godly power cannot be demonstrated without the obvious suspicion that merely superior technology is involved. Any insane genius with a basic insight into superiority technology could perform what the gullible might assume is a miracle and declare himself as God. It just doesn't work anymore.

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24 May 2011, 8:44 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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Uh, maybe something like finding yourself face-down and blinded?!

Paul confused epilepsy or grand mal with an encounter with The Lord.

... and now you are the first to have ever noticed?! :wink:

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24 May 2011, 8:46 pm

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Oh where, oh just where was such a mere man while I was yet dying of chronic alcoholism?! :roll:

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