Was George Soros a Nazi Collaborator?

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22 Jun 2011, 12:50 pm

Orwell wrote:

Google Translate recognizes it as Yiddish and gives what I assume is an accurate translation.

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22 Jun 2011, 2:19 pm

Orwell wrote:

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Well the only thing that's been submitted into evidence is that he was a happy child. And he gave some Nazi brat a few smokes. Oh, and he delivered a notice to some jews that were being deported (which may have been a subversive act against the Nazis).

He worked in the group that was sending Jews to concentration camps and identifying where Jewish people lived, that doesn't seem like working against the Nazis to me.

איר זענט אַ כייטפאַל קליין דרעק.

Is that Yiddish? I can't seem to translate it as Hebrew.

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Google Translate recognizes it as Yiddish and gives what I assume is an accurate translation.

What translation did you get?

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22 Jun 2011, 2:24 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

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He worked in the group that was sending Jews to concentration camps and identifying where Jewish people lived, that doesn't seem like working against the Nazis to me.

It sounds like he was trying to survive. The NAZIS placed people in positions where they had to do awful things to survive.

Did you ever see a move -Sophie's Choice-. Sophie was given a choice by a Nazi prison guard. Choose one of her children for immediate slaughter or both would be immediately slaughtered. Damned if you do, damned if you don't

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22 Jun 2011, 2:25 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Orwell wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

dionysian wrote:

He worked in the group that was sending Jews to concentration camps and identifying where Jewish people lived, that doesn't seem like working against the Nazis to me.

איר זענט אַ כייטפאַל קליין דרעק.

Is that Yiddish? I can't seem to translate it as Hebrew.

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Google Translate recognizes it as Yiddish and gives what I assume is an accurate translation.

What translation did you get?
Air Zant A Ciitfal Klein dreck.
you are a hateful little poop.

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22 Jun 2011, 2:27 pm

[quote="JakobVirgil"][/quote]

thanks. I was unable to figure out the right vowels, since I was trying to read it as Hebrew.

My Yiddish is very weak.

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22 Jun 2011, 4:01 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9-mcqPYzeM[/youtube]

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22 Jun 2011, 4:21 pm

It isn't just Glenn Beck and Inuyasha. If you perform a Google search, a lot of people think that George Soros was a Nazi collaborator.

In this interview, starting at about 5:40, Ann Coulter calls George Soros a "Nazi collaborator", and Mr. Hannity isn't taken aback in the least.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk9HOrxoG70[/youtube]

And, here are some more anti-Soros accusations, including the Nazi collaboration

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehRqMr2wRFE&feature=related[/youtube]

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22 Jun 2011, 5:47 pm

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... soros.html

It is a very well-written piece. I copy the parts directly relevant to the present discussion below.

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...To inoculate himself against charges of anti-Semitism, Beck hurled them at Soros, pointing out that he’s an atheist and a critic of Israel. He accused Soros of helping Nazis steal Jewish property as a teenager and of feeling no remorse about it. In fact, when Soros was 14 in Nazi-occupied Hungary, his father bribed an agriculture official to pretend that the boy was his Christian godson. Soros once had to accompany his protector to inventory a confiscated Jewish estate. Asked by 60 Minutes if he felt guilty about it, he said no, because he wasn’t at fault. The slander that he was a Nazi collaborator has proliferated on the right ever since....

...In a statement, Abraham Foxman, the ADL’s national director and a Holocaust survivor himself, expressed outrage over Beck’s charges about Soros’ behavior as a boy in Nazi-occupied Hungary, which Beck made on television on Tuesday and again on the radio Wednesday. “Glenn Beck’s description of George Soros’ actions during the Holocaust is completely inappropriate, offensive and over the top,” said Foxman. “For a political commentator or entertainer to have the audacity to say—inaccurately—that there’s a Jewish boy sending Jews to death camps, as part of a broader assault on Mr. Soros, that’s horrific… To hold a young boy responsible for what was going on around him during the Holocaust as part of a larger effort to denigrate the man is repugnant.”

Does the Lead Attorney for the Prosecution have anything to add? Or, for that matter, anything to say about himself?

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22 Jun 2011, 10:52 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

dionysian wrote:

He worked in the group that was sending Jews to concentration camps and identifying where Jewish people lived, that doesn't seem like working against the Nazis to me.

איר זענט אַ כייטפאַל קליין דרעק.

English please...

Anyways, the situation is that what Soros did as a boy to protect his family is not the issue, the thing that makes Soros so disturbing is that he feels no remorse about it. Think about it, would you feel no remorse, I certainly would feel remorse (though I probably would have escaped the country long ago in the first place and joined the Allied Armies to put a stop to the Nazis, probably would lie about my age too).

You would feel no remorse if Fox News told you not to feel any remorse.

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22 Jun 2011, 11:07 pm

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My problem is he doesn't feel any guilt decades later. I can excuse what he did as a boy, I can't excuse the fact he doesn't have any feelings of remorse about it as a man.

Can you not see the hypocrisy in your own statement?

In one breath you say that you can excuse what he did, but in the next you expect him to feel remorse. If an action is excusable, then no culpability attaches to it. We should feel remorse for the things that we have done that are blameworthy--not for the things that we did that are excusable.

I've already been through this before with Inuyasha. Demanding that someone to show remorse for something you already agreed was permissible for a 14 year old is self-righteous. People who have not been forced to live as Jews under the Nazi occupation have ZERO right to judge. End of story.

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22 Jun 2011, 11:31 pm

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visagrunt wrote:

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My problem is he doesn't feel any guilt decades later. I can excuse what he did as a boy, I can't excuse the fact he doesn't have any feelings of remorse about it as a man.

Guys you are missing the point here, humans are not always logical. From a psychological standpoint Soros' statements are troubling. There is a classic condition know as survivor's guilt, among other things that should be showing up, and would show up in most people (even when on the spectrum). While you can run around and claim that someone logically shouldn't feel guilty, odds are if you were in the same situation, and then looking back years later odds are you would be feeling terrible its just how humans are wired. The fact he doesn't feel this way is the scary part.

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22 Jun 2011, 11:54 pm

You're saying that not suffering a psychological disorder is a sign of evil on the part of Soros? That's just insane. And even if he did feel irrational guilt at some point, it's fairly likely that in the ensuing decades he would either have gotten over it and come to terms with his experience, or just repressed those emotions.

Also note the inconsistency in Inuyasha's line of argument: in one breath he insinuates that Soros himself was helping to ship Jews off to the death camps, and in the next he backpedals and says that the worrying part is only that Soros doesn't feel guilt for things he didn't do.

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I certainly would feel remorse (though I probably would have escaped the country long ago in the first place and joined the Allied Armies to put a stop to the Nazis, probably would lie about my age too).

Oh give it a break, you little punk. It's easy to be brave sitting safe at home on the Internet. If you were in his situation, you probably would have been selling out other Jews to the death camps. Have you any military background at all? You supported Bush's foreign wars; why did you not enlist? Put your life where your fat stupid mouth is.

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23 Jun 2011, 12:00 am

Orwell, I've actually had to stand up to authority figures before thank you kindly, and I pay extremely close attention to politics. I didn't knuckle under to bullies, I stood up to them. You quite honestly don't know anything about me.

Also the survivor's guilt and remorse is actually a sign of a healthy psychological profile, it shows one cares about others and has a moral conscious. It is when someone doesn't feel bad about it afterword that is the problem.

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23 Jun 2011, 9:29 am

The court finds the defendant, Mr. George Soros, not guilty of the charge of having been a Nazi collaborator.

The charges brought against the defendant are so specious and ludicrous that even the US District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia would have found the defendant innocent.

The defendant is free to visit Jerusalem whenever he wishes. However, the court would encourage Mr. Soros, and all persons who possess a minimal sense of decency, including Pope Benny, to stay away from the disgusting spectacle being orchestrated by that pathetic Aryan fool, Glenn Beck.

The defendant's alleged psychological profile is completely immaterial to the present case. No formal psychological testing results have been proffered. The prosecutor's assertions that the defendant's lack of "survivor's guilt and remorse" indicates an "unhealthy psychological profile", and that the defendant doesn't care about others and lacks a moral "conscious" (sic.), amount to ridiculous and immoral speculation on the part of the prosecutor. The defendant's generous humanitarian efforts prove that the defendant does, in fact, care deeply about others.

Indeed, telling a holocaust survivor that he isn't suffering a sufficient level of guilt and remorse, and that he therefore suffers from an unhealthy psychological profile, and obviously doesn't care about others and has no moral "conscious", is the apex of arrogance.

The court orders the prosecuting attorney to cease and desist from watching Fox News, from listening to any "right-wing" broadcasters, and from reading any "right-wing" material on the internet or elsewhere. The court orders the prosecuting attorney to watch 80 hours of children's programming on PBS, the 80 hours to be completed by no later than noon on 25 June, 2011.

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23 Jun 2011, 10:43 am

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How about you stop being a complete idiot instead, pandabear you are not even objective, and the fact you honestly are trying to pretend you are remotely objective is laughable at best. Furthermore, I never suggested he be charged for what he did as a scared juvenile, you did that on your own to try to dishonestly paint me as an anti-semite.

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23 Jun 2011, 10:49 am

You accused him of being a "Nazi collaborator", and declared that Glenn Beck would not invite him to Jerusalem because he was a "Nazi collaborator."

Mr. Soros has been cleared of the charge.

No court in the world would have convicted him. Hence, the trial was perfectly fair and objective.

Now, get started with your PBS shows, lest I find you in contempt, and sentence you to farm labor.

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