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14 Jul 2011, 2:41 pm

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In regarding zerOnetgain's assertion that the party will be over for everyone - well, no it won't. It won't be the rich starving in the street. And I'll bet the Goddamn Republicans will still give them their tax cuts.

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True and false.

If the poop hits the fan, you will see the wealthy (by and large) flee America like rats from a sinking ship. They know what tends to come next, and they want to be in some banana republic where their hired goons will keep any danger far at bay.

I always tell people who are into survivalism to try and keep tabs on the wealthy/powerful in your area. If they start drilling water wells, building shelters/panic rooms, hiring armed thugs (Blackwater, etc.) to patrol their neighborhoods regularly, of if they start packing to leave town in a hurry....GUESS WHAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN.


Not if we get to those f*****s first, by God!

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14 Jul 2011, 6:19 pm

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Not if we get to those f**** first, by God!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Not by God or by any means will you get those f***** first. They can hire guns and you can't.

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14 Jul 2011, 6:23 pm

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^Unless one is nearly as well-off as those people, one won't be living in their community.


Well, yes and no.

People know who the well-to-do are in their area. Some people keep eyes and ears open, and talk gets about.

Lots of wealthy people in one state (Texas, if I recall correctly), are having water wells dug on their properties when they have perfectly good city water to their properties. The scuttlebutt was that they are looking to stockpile and be ready for a coming "crisis."

Watch and listen and you can find sources who do have access to the people you want to watch, and their actions are noticed.


Just because they've got money doesn't mean they're smart or in the know.



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15 Jul 2011, 7:06 am

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Just because they've got money doesn't mean they're smart or in the know.


True, but often, if any warning is given...it's to the wealthy/politically-connected.

ruveyn wrote:
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Not if we get to those f**** first, by God!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Not by God or by any means will you get those f***** first. They can hire guns and you can't.

ruveyn


Perhaps. How loyal do you think a hired gun is? Ever consider trying to fend off a zombie horde? :wink:

If a man with a dozen armed guards is surrounded by an angry mob, and that mob promise safety to the guards if they walk away, what do you think those guards will do?

The loyalty of a mercenary is oh so fickle. 8)



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15 Jul 2011, 11:35 am

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If a man with a dozen armed guards is surrounded by an angry mob, and that mob promise safety to the guards if they walk away, what do you think those guards will do?

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If the have enough ammo and guns they will open fire. And there never will be such mobs in the U.S.A.. it is a cultural anomaly. U.S. people take an enormous amount of sh*t and injustice from within the country. If the black folk of America never became Mau Mau what do you expect from the white folk?

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15 Jul 2011, 1:26 pm

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If a man with a dozen armed guards is surrounded by an angry mob, and that mob promise safety to the guards if they walk away, what do you think those guards will do?

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If the have enough ammo and guns they will open fire. And there never will be such mobs in the U.S.A.. it is a cultural anomaly. U.S. people take an enormous amount of sh*t and injustice from within the country. If the black folk of America never became Mau Mau what do you expect from the white folk?

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Well, that's just it. White folks in America aren't used to taking s**t and injustice. So far they are placated by the fact that they aren't on the very bottom rung of humanity. They're still a small step above the third world sweat shop workers who manufacture and import the cheap s**t they can consume and live off of. However, once the wh***y proles become the sweat shop workers themselves and have their Social Security and medical care taken away from them they may finally snap. By that I mean they may stop voting Republican and grab their guns. This isn't the 19th century. Post WWII white Americans aren't used to taking it up the ass.



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15 Jul 2011, 2:53 pm

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Well, that's just it. White folks in America aren't used to taking sh** and injustice. So far they are placated by the fact that they aren't on the very bottom rung of humanity. They're still a small step above the third world sweat shop workers who manufacture and import the cheap sh** they can consume and live off of. However, once the wh***y proles become the sweat shop workers themselves and have their Social Security and medical care taken away from them they may finally snap. By that I mean they may stop voting Republican and grab their guns. This isn't the 19th century. Post WWII white Americans aren't used to taking it up the ass.


Except for a brief demonstration in Washingon DC, there were no white mobs arising against the rich, during the Great Depression. Americans are just not inclined for forming mobs.

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15 Jul 2011, 3:10 pm

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Will the U.S. government raise taxes? Cut entitlements? Both? Neither?
Will they do nothing and let the poop hit the fan?
Is a long-term solution possible, or are we merely delaying the fall of Western civilization?


The government in Minnesota let the crap hit the fan, leaving the forming of the budget up to the judicial branch. It almost cost my wife her employment, since she's a childcare worker and childcare subsidization was cut by default. Kinda depressed to find out that 90% of the revenue my wife's employer receives is taxpayer based welfare, but I find myself at odds since the loss of my wife's employment (while I am still unable to find employment myself, aside from being a Mosquito Banquet Meal while selling fireworks out in the middle of nowhere for two weeks) would mean camping outdoors during winter (although I would prefer going south to avoid the harsh winter up here).



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15 Jul 2011, 3:20 pm

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Well, that's just it. White folks in America aren't used to taking sh** and injustice. So far they are placated by the fact that they aren't on the very bottom rung of humanity. They're still a small step above the third world sweat shop workers who manufacture and import the cheap sh** they can consume and live off of. However, once the wh***y proles become the sweat shop workers themselves and have their Social Security and medical care taken away from them they may finally snap. By that I mean they may stop voting Republican and grab their guns. This isn't the 19th century. Post WWII white Americans aren't used to taking it up the ass.


Except for a brief demonstration in Washingon DC, there were no white mobs arising against the rich, during the Great Depression. Americans are just not inclined for forming mobs.

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Well, there were plenty of strikes that turned violent, if you want to call them demonstrations.

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15 Jul 2011, 4:00 pm

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Well, there were plenty of strikes that turned violent, if you want to call them demonstrations.

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Yes, there were strikes. Yes, some of them were nasty. Did the mob bring down the government. No. Did the mob destroy the economy? No. Mobbing is not the way most Americans act. As to the strikes, these were carried on by Proles, a variety of knuckle dragging primate.

Nowadays less than 15 percent of American labor is union represented. There is hardly enough there for a respectable riot.

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15 Jul 2011, 4:07 pm

Remember what happened when the air traffic controllers went on strike?

President Reagan fired them all.

There were sympathy strikes elsewhere in the world (e.g., in Europe). But, nothing in the USA.



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15 Jul 2011, 4:09 pm

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2) Economically - Time for NAFTA and all other agreements that favor foreign countries to go. We need some protectionist policies for a change. I wouldn't mind if corporations paid no taxes at all, as long as they kept ALL their jobs stateside, including their headquarters and call centers. If they want to build their products or components elsewhere, let them pay through the nose to bring it into the country.


Hoover turned protectionist, and the great depression just got greater as a result. No-one is seriously going to try that again.



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15 Jul 2011, 4:39 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Well, there were plenty of strikes that turned violent, if you want to call them demonstrations.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Yes, there were strikes. Yes, some of them were nasty. Did the mob bring down the government. No. Did the mob destroy the economy? No. Mobbing is not the way most Americans act. As to the strikes, these were carried on by Proles, a variety of knuckle dragging primate.

Nowadays less than 15 percent of American labor is union represented. There is hardly enough there for a respectable riot.

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I wasn't talking about successfully overthrowing the government, I was just bringing up that there were indeed labor demonstrations.

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15 Jul 2011, 5:30 pm

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Well, that's just it. White folks in America aren't used to taking sh** and injustice. So far they are placated by the fact that they aren't on the very bottom rung of humanity. They're still a small step above the third world sweat shop workers who manufacture and import the cheap sh** they can consume and live off of. However, once the wh***y proles become the sweat shop workers themselves and have their Social Security and medical care taken away from them they may finally snap. By that I mean they may stop voting Republican and grab their guns. This isn't the 19th century. Post WWII white Americans aren't used to taking it up the ass.


Except for a brief demonstration in Washingon DC, there were no white mobs arising against the rich, during the Great Depression. Americans are just not inclined for forming mobs.

ruveyn


True, the Americans poor as a whole are somewhat bovine and easily placated. I think things will change if the government attempts to move things backwards though. Before the first Great Depression there was no such thing as retirement or Social Security. Now that people are used to a social safety net they will be up in arms if and when the government tries to take it away.



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15 Jul 2011, 6:35 pm

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True, the Americans poor as a whole are somewhat bovine and easily placated. I think things will change if the government attempts to move things backwards though. Before the first Great Depression there was no such thing as retirement or Social Security. Now that people are used to a social safety net they will be up in arms if and when the government tries to take it away.


That remains to be seen.

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16 Jul 2011, 12:30 am

Take the social safety net away, and those poor and working class people who have relied on it for so long may just develop a class consciousness as people had once had, and then the super rich may just find out what class warfare really is.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer