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24 Jul 2011, 8:40 am

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Well I'll be damned! Something otherworldly and miraculous has occurred in Norway. A mass slaughter and bombing done by a non-Muslim. Will wonders never cease?

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Strangely how all massive slaughters in WWII, not to mention the crusades, genocide towards the Native Americans and so much more were done by non Muslims (not to mention Balkan wars and massive slaughters in nazi concentration camps) and no one is surprised when they don't do any further crap.

Check your history, the Muslims committed lots of atrocities in the middle ages from the 7th century Islamic conquests to the fall of the Ottoman empire in 1918, to the Moro warriors in the Philippines, The Muslim SS commandos from the Balkans that fought for Hitler to the end and died in the final siege of Berlin, the Muslims trying to massacre the Israelis in 1948, 1951, 1967, 1972, plus all the various attempts Saddam Hussein made and Iran is working on, there's various religious purges and various terrorist attacks. Or how about the honor killing of family members? That's a Muslim tradition too.


My point is that BOTH sides (meaning Christian and Muslim in this case) have committed slaughters on vast scales, sorry if it wasn't clear, so emphasizing only one isn't correct.

I'm not a Muslim. :lol:



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24 Jul 2011, 9:24 am

I am just regurgitating the national news here, but two contributions stuck particularly to my mind.
One was that most of these attacks are carried out with the intention to cause far reaching rifts in society and scores of victims are "regrettably necessary" to initiate this desired rift and subsequent shifts in society.
The second one was that an initial poll ( I do not know how representative this poll was ) revealed that even in the aftermath of this tragedy the introduction of the death sentence was deemed unnecessary by 63%.
Also chilling, but very explanatory to the psyche of the perpetrator is his statement "One man with a belief is equal to the force of 100,000 with only interests."
It is impossible to debate on a rational level with a person of this mindset.



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24 Jul 2011, 9:45 am

I will put forth a hypothesis. Religious Enthusiasm (regardless of which religion) will engender this kind of madness and badness. The Crusades were invoked in the Name of Christ (The Prince of Peace?) and the Islamic Conquests were invoked in the name of Allah. Allah hu'akbar! In biblical times, the Hebrews were as bad a** as the Muslims of today. They over-ran Cana'an and put 33 cities to the torch. Read this in the Book of Joshuah. God is God and there is No Other!

To render religions safe for human use they first must be detoxified. In the case of the Jews, three major conquests (the Assyrians, the Babylonians, the Romans) and the dispersion and diaspara rendered the Jews humble, if not lovable. They finally had to learn to live among others. Christianity, to an extent, has been detoxified, In modern times, the advance of science and technology has shown just how silly Christian philosophy and theology are. Islam is yet to be detoxified.

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24 Jul 2011, 10:20 am

Yes, Christianity has detoxified itself through all those slaughters they did so far, I guess Muslims now have to go through the similar catharsis, what they did so far wasn't enough to achieve purgation.

Which religion will be next? Bakkhai? Zoroastri? Pastafarians?



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24 Jul 2011, 12:18 pm

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Yes, Christianity has detoxified itself through all those slaughters they did so far, I guess Muslims now have to go through the similar catharsis, what they did so far wasn't enough to achieve purgation.

Which religion will be next? Bakkhai? Zoroastri? Pastafarians?


These religions are not militant and do not have a conversion incentive. While you are at it include in this list the Amish and Quakers. The quiet religions do not endanger anyone. They are already non-toxic.

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24 Jul 2011, 12:30 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Yes, Christianity has detoxified itself through all those slaughters they did so far, I guess Muslims now have to go through the similar catharsis, what they did so far wasn't enough to achieve purgation.

Which religion will be next? Bakkhai? Zoroastri? Pastafarians?


These religions are not militant and do not have a conversion incentive. While you are at it include in this list the Amish and Quakers. The quiet religions do not endanger anyone. They are already non-toxic.

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I was just being facetious. :) Non toxic for others, but intoxicating and stupefying for themselves.



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24 Jul 2011, 1:22 pm

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I am just regurgitating the national news here, but two contributions stuck particularly to my mind.
One was that most of these attacks are carried out with the intention to cause far reaching rifts in society and scores of victims are "regrettably necessary" to initiate this desired rift and subsequent shifts in society.
The second one was that an initial poll ( I do not know how representative this poll was ) revealed that even in the aftermath of this tragedy the introduction of the death sentence was deemed unnecessary by 63%.
Also chilling, but very explanatory to the psyche of the perpetrator is his statement "One man with a belief is equal to the force of 100,000 with only interests."
It is impossible to debate on a rational level with a person of this mindset.


According to his writing, what he wanted here were dead multiculturalist "traitors", and a minimum of "civilian" (conservative, neutrals) casualties. He wants to "decimate" leftists. That's probably why he chose a holiday for the bombing. He couldn't control who was in the street, unlike the island.

He puts about 400,000 (abstracted) people in Europe on a death list for political crimes. Others are to be punished but not killed.

He does offer plans to create rifts though. He encourages others to kill Muslim women during Ramadan as a way to provoke Muslim overreaction. He wants radicalize them further to make it easier to evict them from Europe during the coming "crusade".



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24 Jul 2011, 3:08 pm

simon_says wrote:
According to his writing, what he wanted here were dead multiculturalist "traitors", and a minimum of "civilian" (conservative, neutrals) casualties. He wants to "decimate" leftists. That's probably why he chose a holiday for the bombing. He couldn't control who was in the street, unlike the island.

He puts about 400,000 (abstracted) people in Europe on a death list for political crimes. Others are to be punished but not killed.

He does offer plans to create rifts though. He encourages others to kill Muslim women during Ramadan as a way to provoke Muslim overreaction. He wants radicalize them further to make it easier to evict them from Europe during the coming "crusade".


I find it imperative that children are taught from a young age to see through strategies like these, which use them and fellow human beings as pawns in the "Big Gameplan" of other, well, mere mortals, who are simply endowed with immense hybris.
This could be a start: Link What is Enlightenment? Immanuel Kant, 1784



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24 Jul 2011, 3:25 pm

PaleBlueDotty wrote:
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According to his writing, what he wanted here were dead multiculturalist "traitors", and a minimum of "civilian" (conservative, neutrals) casualties. He wants to "decimate" leftists. That's probably why he chose a holiday for the bombing. He couldn't control who was in the street, unlike the island.

He puts about 400,000 (abstracted) people in Europe on a death list for political crimes. Others are to be punished but not killed.

He does offer plans to create rifts though. He encourages others to kill Muslim women during Ramadan as a way to provoke Muslim overreaction. He wants radicalize them further to make it easier to evict them from Europe during the coming "crusade".


I find it imperative that children are taught from a young age to see through strategies like these, which use them and fellow human beings as pawns in the "Big Gameplan" of other, well, mere mortals, who are simply endowed with immense hybris.
This could be a start: Link What is Enlightenment? Immanuel Kant, 1784


I'd add Albert Camus' The Rebel to this list:

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The rebel undoubtedly demands a certain degree of freedom for himself; but in no case, if he is consistent, does he demand the right to destroy the existence and the freedom of others. He humiliates no one. The freedom he claims, he claims for all; the freedom he refuses, he forbids everyone to enjoy. He is not only the slave against the master, but also man against the world of master and slave. Therefore, thanks to rebellion, there is something more in history than the relation between mastery and servitude. Unlimited power is not the only law. It is in the name of another value that the rebel affirms the impossibility of total freedom while he claims for himself the relative freedom necessary to recognize this impossibility.

The Rebel
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24 Jul 2011, 7:00 pm

PaleBlueDotty wrote:
I find it imperative that children are taught from a young age to see through strategies like these, which use them and fellow human beings as pawns in the "Big Gameplan" of other, well, mere mortals, who are simply endowed with immense hybris.
This could be a start: Link What is Enlightenment? Immanuel Kant, 1784


It is not clear that *education [to be distinguished from my preferred sense of [education] and some others done what its proponents assume even when applied to the Socializers and Socialized themselves. The probability of any useful effect on other groups is small.