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30 Jul 2011, 4:26 pm

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How can someone NOT be insane if they shoot dozens of kids? Do you really believe some people are just 'plain evil'? What does that even mean anyways?



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TBH Dexter to me is just as evil as any other serial killer.


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i didn't say Dexter was evil, I said he is as much 'evil' as any other killer is.


and just as much evil as little Anders whom you have so much sympathy for?

sociopathy is a personality disorder and not a form of insanity.


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30 Jul 2011, 4:27 pm

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Also I suppose it is a little bit hard for me to pity someone who shoots a bunch of kids......especially when I have PTSD because some guy decided it would be cool to come in my school and shoot a girl, as far as anyone can tell that dude did not really have a specific mental disorder just made a horrible choice.


But maybe he did ... wouldn't it make you feel better to know that he was in a way not truly responsible, than to just believe he was demonic? Sorry to hear about that BTW.


No that would not make me feel better because then I would have to put myself in the same catagory as that bastard. Mental illness is not an excuse to make an elaborate plan to killl a bunch of people to justify some sick anti-diversity agenda or whatever sort of extremist agenda he was trying to 'bring attention to' nor is it an excuse for an adult male to walk into a school to rape some chicks and end up shooting one.

those are still very wrong things to do.



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30 Jul 2011, 4:29 pm

anna-banana wrote:
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How can someone NOT be insane if they shoot dozens of kids? Do you really believe some people are just 'plain evil'? What does that even mean anyways?



donnie_darko wrote:

TBH Dexter to me is just as evil as any other serial killer.


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i didn't say Dexter was evil, I said he is as much 'evil' as any other killer is.


and just as much evil as little Anders whom you have so much sympathy for?

sociopathy is a personality disorder and not a form of insanity.


Sociopathy does not even explain it, this guy did not do that because he does not care about/comprehend other peoples rights...it was an act of terrorism to bring attention to his extremist agenda.



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30 Jul 2011, 4:30 pm

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i didn't say Dexter was evil, I said he is as much 'evil' as any other killer is.


and just as much evil as little Anders whom you have so much sympathy for?

sociopathy is a personality disorder and not a form of insanity.[/quote]

What's the difference? They're both psychological problems.



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30 Jul 2011, 4:32 pm

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No that would not make me feel better because then I would have to put myself in the same catagory as that bastard. Mental illness is not an excuse to make an elaborate plan to killl a bunch of people to justify some sick anti-diversity agenda or whatever sort of extremist agenda he was trying to 'bring attention to' nor is it an excuse for an adult male to walk into a school to rape some chicks and end up shooting one.

those are still very wrong things to do.


Have you ever thought that letting go of your anger might liberate you and help you heal?



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30 Jul 2011, 4:35 pm

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No that would not make me feel better because then I would have to put myself in the same catagory as that bastard. Mental illness is not an excuse to make an elaborate plan to killl a bunch of people to justify some sick anti-diversity agenda or whatever sort of extremist agenda he was trying to 'bring attention to' nor is it an excuse for an adult male to walk into a school to rape some chicks and end up shooting one.

those are still very wrong things to do.


Have you ever thought that letting go of your anger might liberate you and help you heal?


I am not that terribly angry anymore, but I am not going to try to convince myself that that bastard is not at all responsible for what he did.



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30 Jul 2011, 4:38 pm

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I am not that terribly angry anymore, but I am not going to try to convince myself that that bastard is not at all responsible for what he did.


Would you forgive him if he asked you? Just curious.



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30 Jul 2011, 4:39 pm

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What's the difference? They're both psychological problems.


he admitted that what he did was atrocious and at the same time claimed no criminal responsibility. it's safe to assume then that he knows right from wrong, he just chooses wrong.

even if he has some mental problems, putting him on the same page with all other mentally ill humans who have done nothing they knew to be wrong, is just downright insulting.


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30 Jul 2011, 4:41 pm

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he admitted that what he did was atrocious and at the same time claimed no criminal responsibility. it's safe to assume then that he knows right from wrong, he just chooses wrong.

even if he has some mental problems, putting him on the same page with all other mentally ill humans who have done nothing they knew to be wrong, is just downright insulting.


He might know it's wrong in a philosophical or legal way, but he's not biologically wired to even be capable of caring.



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30 Jul 2011, 4:42 pm

donnie_darko wrote:
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I am not that terribly angry anymore, but I am not going to try to convince myself that that bastard is not at all responsible for what he did.


Would you forgive him if he asked you? Just curious.


Yeah most likely, but I do not have to like that they exist......the dude who did that at my school ended up getting shot by the swat team I think so I am glad he got shot. This norweigan guy would deserve it if someone kills him......but I am not going to hold on to any hate because why should I even bother with that.



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30 Jul 2011, 4:43 pm

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Yeah most likely, but I do not have to like that they exist......the dude who did that at my school ended up getting shot by the swat team I think so I am glad he got shot. This norweigan guy would deserve it if someone kills him......but I am not going to hold on to any hate because why should I even bother with that.


Well that's good. So basically you don't hate them, you just think they're worthless and wouldn't feel sorry for them no matter how hurt they were?



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30 Jul 2011, 4:44 pm

anna-banana wrote:
donnie_darko wrote:

What's the difference? They're both psychological problems.


he admitted that what he did was atrocious and at the same time claimed no criminal responsibility. it's safe to assume then that he knows right from wrong, he just chooses wrong.

even if he has some mental problems, putting him on the same page with all other mentally ill humans who have done nothing they knew to be wrong, is just downright insulting.


He is a terrorist...terrorism=commiting an act of violence to get a point across or bring attention to an extremist cause. what explains why he admits it was atrocious but does not assume criminal responsibility. I mean what is it better if he is considered mentally ill then if he is considered a white, christian terrorist which is what he is.



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30 Jul 2011, 4:46 pm

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He is a terrorist...terrorism=commiting an act of violence to get a point across or bring attention to an extremist cause. what explains why he admits it was atrocious but does not assume criminal responsibility. I mean what is it better if he is considered mentally ill then if he is considered a white, christian terrorist which is what he is.


He views it as necessary evil ... kind of like people who support capital punishment.



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30 Jul 2011, 4:47 pm

donnie_darko wrote:
anna-banana wrote:

he admitted that what he did was atrocious and at the same time claimed no criminal responsibility. it's safe to assume then that he knows right from wrong, he just chooses wrong.

even if he has some mental problems, putting him on the same page with all other mentally ill humans who have done nothing they knew to be wrong, is just downright insulting.


He might know it's wrong in a philosophical or legal way, but he's not biologically wired to even be capable of caring.


this is only your guess and nothing more.

he is being evaluated by 3 psychiatrists now and soon we'll know more details. for the time being, you are assuming that he is a poor tortured soul because this is what you want to believe.


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30 Jul 2011, 4:47 pm

donnie_darko wrote:
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Yeah most likely, but I do not have to like that they exist......the dude who did that at my school ended up getting shot by the swat team I think so I am glad he got shot. This norweigan guy would deserve it if someone kills him......but I am not going to hold on to any hate because why should I even bother with that.


Well that's good. So basically you don't hate them, you just think they're worthless and wouldn't feel sorry for them no matter how hurt they were?


I would not feel sorry for that terrorist if he gets killed...not saying I don't care at all what drives some people to get to that point but that does not make them less guilty. I mean in my mind as I said there is a difference between having a mental disorder like PTSD for instance having someone trigger it and then being unable to control your possibly violent reaction to them...........and deciding to follow an extremist ideology and commit an act of terrorism to bring more attention to the cause.......its disgusting all those kids had to die so this guy could get more attention for his extremist cause.



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30 Jul 2011, 4:50 pm

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this is only your guess and nothing more.

he is being evaluated by 3 psychiatrists now and soon we'll know more details. for the time being, you are assuming that he is a poor tortured soul because this is what you want to believe.


so you're saying he could choose to care if he wanted to? free will just doesn't make any sense. he doesn't care because he can't care.