Why do we need them?

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I am used to being human.....I do not think there is an exact definition of how a human has to be, also this society is crap I have no desire to be a part of it. But I do not think going to some isolated location is going to help matters either.....since I cannot enjoy life anyways why shouldn't I try to do something about this.......why should I not openly express my veiws in the hopes that others might agree? If you don't like it great but I am not just going to conform to this society when I see nothing right about it. And no it does not suck at all its wonderful....not.

I'm not saying I dislike your questioning it - I just needed to give an honest answer.

The trouble we find ourselves in is that we, personally and individually, can have great hearts, great goals, and great works but we cannot control the other 6 billion people around us into doing the same. That's where the rules I'm talking about come from. Most measures taken by people who had your questions but ended up stuck in stage one thought haven't so far made the world better, in essence these rules more often made the world more vulnerable to evil.

IMHO the only way to really diffuse evil and make the world better is to fundamentally change human DNA to where disability does not exist, alpha/beta are non issues, and where there's no such applicable thing as having to earn a right to exist. Humanity and its cruelty to itself has mostly been a product of its own inherent limitations - the worst of those being natural law and the low of how genes work and what direction they really turn us in if we listen to them.

A post-genetic society would be a big step forward, just that hopefully you wouldn't have the wildly ambitious essentially becoming 'gods' either from it.

Since when do you have to earn the right to even exist, if that is the case I suppose I have not earned my existance rights yet because I can not hold a job to contribute to the freaking machine....and our society and economic/government system has nothing to do with genes or evolution or anything like that. Since when is everyone working to feed the few pigs on top anything like natural selection.......in natural selection those few who are exploiting the majority would be the first to go in the real natural order of things.

Right, its social darwinism. In the jungle muscle and physical force were enough, now its more social (hence - Asperger's/autism are such big issues).


Those pigs on top are what rose to the top based on how we select and how our system works. Natural selection unfortunately is an unthinking process and one that's unfortunately pushed from behind our own wills so we're often either blind to it or even have strong revulsion to examine it. What you're noting goes hand in hand - the universe has a zero IQ, hence in the scope of such a deterministic universe good doesn't always defeat bad or bad always defeat good, things aren't always going to make sense or be done the best way, nor will people choose to have the best attitudes if they don't have to.

I think in general though, if I have observed something, is that material reality is generally seeking a lower energy level (at least as the universe expands). Because of this things tend toward better order, with order becomes better quality of life and existence. Its not to say that our societies around the globe couldn't go right back to a dark-age and have global depots for another several thousand years, just that if we took a graph from now through maybe 100,000 years from now - if we're still here - we'd see our society going toward greater natural equilibrium. Obviously things from without like radiation, asteroids, ice ages from the stoppage of the underwater convection current, etc. would be glitches in the plan but outside of those setbacks we're likely to head toward greater and greater order on their own. Its not to say that we shouldn't think about ways of finding it - if we want to think about it we should - just that while we can at best sway opinions worldwide its still a superficial shift at best because that particular ounce of cure still doesn't effect the root of the problem.

and I am not sure what you are getting at there, lol seems a bit more complex then what I am trying to discuss here.

social darwanism is crap by the way......lol it should be manipulation and stepping on people darwanism. lol

Yeah, maybe in the animal kingdom, it works ... but humans are beyond that hopefully?

Lol, you asked a complex question. Its tough for me to water down my answer, particularly if its being scrutinized or probed.


Animals of the same species contest to the point of murder over mating. Animals will kill each other over food. Animals also kill disabled animals of their kind (apes are particularly well documented for this as well as clan warfare and murder). Animal strength, health, and 'alpha'hood is also based on how much power they can wield in their relative/relevant environment.

So, aside from the fact that National Geographic and TLC/Discovery just make it seem a lot more wholesome and natural when its other animal species and not us - what's the difference?

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Humans have a more developed frontal lobe.......but I guess its easier for them not to put it to use.

You'll have to find me the magic dust that got sprinkled on our genes and where and at what point of history that it happened.

Sorry I could not really understand all of your response..not sure what I can do about that exactly.
I know how things work in nature and how people try to claim that the way our society, government and economy operates some how fits that so its justified but first there are quite a few differences.........also humans have a more developed frontal lobe and should freaking use it.

And they will the day you can subordinate everyone's will to do what you believe they should. Until then we live in a vast biome of human animals that range from wanting to do the right thing to wanting to get theirs by any means to not wanting to be here or be human at all.

hmmmm, probably when we developed writing.

Which genes in which chromosomes do you think flipped from the discovery of writing? Would the deaf and blind who can't learn a language be less human than those who can?

What makes you think I am the type of person who just wants everyone to do what I think they should without question? I think its horrible that everyone is part of a damn machine that really only feeds the pigs on top while leaving the rest of us to cling to the illusion that things are the way they should be as they do not want to see the truth. that is what I am expressing I know chances are nothing will change in my life time......does not make it in easier to deal with how messed up things are but I do acknowledge that I am really only one person and my thoughts don't really matter.

I suspect brain circuits for temporal sequencing, dancing, dodging and throwing were commandeered to aid us in writing which is a talent that has been in use by humans for maybe 10,000 years. Our species has been around for about a 250,000 years. I doubt whether we have any particular genetic trait that produced our ability to read and write.

ruveyn