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05 Sep 2011, 11:46 pm

You cannot say that Astrology is BS or you might lose your girlfriend.

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05 Sep 2011, 11:57 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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One obvious example in modern society is that surviving form of magical divination: astrology.

Astrology has links to magic (Some use astrology to time certain rituals or to create certain magical objects etc.), but I don't think it is inherently 'magic'. No more than, say... mathematics is.

Well its not religion, and certainly isnt science, so it has to be classed as magic.

Why can't it be classified as ignorant superstition?

Because the OP used a synonym for 'ignorant superstition - ie. magic - which you apparently disapprove of.

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How can a star a million light years from earth affect our condition now?

How can a planet several hundred million miles from us determine our fate?

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Lol, what about the possibility that that's not it at all? What if the planets are just points of reference for much more pervasive dynamics? Just playing devil's advocate a bit here, I don't necessarily believe or disbelieve - just that as a full true 100% determinist it wouldn't shock me if we could find artifacts of that sort of flow all around us.

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06 Sep 2011, 12:08 am

androbot2084 wrote:

You cannot say that Astrology is BS or you might lose your girlfriend.

Excellent! Now if I ever accidentally start dating someone who I later find out believes in astrology I have a convenient way to get rid of her

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06 Sep 2011, 4:38 am

What about New Age nonsense?

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06 Sep 2011, 8:48 am

Hey, I never said it was nonsense or that it wasn't. I'm just an... Observer, a Scientist. Well sort of. But I'm completely neutral.

Any more systems that haven't been mentioned? What about Gypsy magic what is it called? What about Necromancy is it Christian or...?

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06 Sep 2011, 8:51 am

Santeria as well?

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06 Sep 2011, 9:32 am

Obres wrote:

androbot2084 wrote:

You cannot say that Astrology is BS or you might lose your girlfriend.

Excellent! Now if I ever accidentally start dating someone who I later find out believes in astrology I have a convenient way to get rid of her

I am reminded of this: http://cectic.com/182.html

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06 Sep 2011, 1:38 pm

Clarke's Three Laws are three "laws" of prediction formulated by the British writer and scientist Arthur C. Clarke. They are:
1.When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
2.The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
3.Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

From the Wikipedia article.

Necromancy means magic involving the dead, and spans many systems.

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06 Sep 2011, 1:57 pm

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We know of four basic forces in nature: the electromagnetic force, the strong force, the weak force and gravitation. Only the electromagnetic force and gravitation work at long ranges and their effects cannot propagate faster than the speed of light. There may be other forces but they have no manifested themselves in any measurable way.

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06 Sep 2011, 3:12 pm

ruveyn wrote:

What about New Age nonsense?

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Definitely nonsense

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06 Sep 2011, 3:41 pm

What I don't get about all of this Aleister Crowley magic are the delusions of his followers. I mean when some Witch believes that a Rock Star is tagging her with a satellite using psychotronic warfare, I think its time for a reality check.

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06 Sep 2011, 3:46 pm

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I hear you, but I totally get why his followers are delusional. First and foremost they listen to Aleister Crowley. Second, they listen to Aleister Crowley... etc etc

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06 Sep 2011, 4:00 pm

And these Witches get so angry when I don't believe their bizarre delusions.

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06 Sep 2011, 4:16 pm

I was born on the same date as Crowley. Does that mean I get to be an atheist at Crowleymas?

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06 Sep 2011, 4:18 pm

No, it means you get to wear the Crowley mask at the next Atheist convention.

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06 Sep 2011, 4:57 pm

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No, it means you get to wear the Crowley mask at the next Atheist convention.

Damn. And I bought a complete first edition set of his most famous work, The Equinox.

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