What's so bad about abstinence?
You shouldn't be having sex at all unless you accept the potential consequences that comes with it.
...and unless you understand the proper usage of contraceptives which, while not 100% effective at preventing said consequences, certainly diminish the likelihood of having to suffer under those consequences. I think it would only be fair to mention that, instead of "Don't have sex. Period. End of discussion."
Also referring to sexually transmitted diseases, unless you're saying that all children should be tested to see if they have any sexually transmitted diseases.
I understood the scope of all that you were referring to, which I meant to encompass in everything I was saying as well (using contraceptives to prevent unwanted pregnancies and STIs). And, no, I don't think all teens (I don't know why you're referring to children) should be tested for STIs unless they feel that it's necessary.
Probably because of something like this:
PROVINCETOWN, Mass. (CBS/AP) How young is too young?
That's the question a Massachusetts public school is facing as they have come under fire for making condoms available to all students, even those in elementary school.
Children start first grade between 5 and 7 years old.
Kris Mineau, president of the conservative Massachusetts Family Institute, calls the idea absurd.
But Provincetown School Board Chairman Peter Grosso defended the policy, saying there is no set age when sexual activity starts.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162- ... 91704.html
Well, if you must know, I personally think such a policy is unnecessary because elementary school students don't need condoms, anyway, since they haven't even hit puberty yet.
Oh really, I thought you said they need to be educated how to use contraceptives so they know how to do 'safe sex'. Guess that school board thought the same way, that it better to teach them while a condom being improperly used wouldn't be as big of an issue...
You hitting on someone is enough to make anyone want to stay celibate.
The motion has been seconded.
Shall we put it to a formal vote?
Or, are there any women or men present, who would be willing to, uh, you know....
You hitting on someone is enough to make anyone want to stay celibate.
The motion has been seconded.
Shall we put it to a formal vote?
Or, are there any women or men present, who would be willing to, uh, you know....
Seriously, do I have to call the police again.
You shouldn't be having sex at all unless you accept the potential consequences that comes with it.
...and unless you understand the proper usage of contraceptives which, while not 100% effective at preventing said consequences, certainly diminish the likelihood of having to suffer under those consequences. I think it would only be fair to mention that, instead of "Don't have sex. Period. End of discussion."
Also referring to sexually transmitted diseases, unless you're saying that all children should be tested to see if they have any sexually transmitted diseases.
I understood the scope of all that you were referring to, which I meant to encompass in everything I was saying as well (using contraceptives to prevent unwanted pregnancies and STIs). And, no, I don't think all teens (I don't know why you're referring to children) should be tested for STIs unless they feel that it's necessary.
Probably because of something like this:
PROVINCETOWN, Mass. (CBS/AP) How young is too young?
That's the question a Massachusetts public school is facing as they have come under fire for making condoms available to all students, even those in elementary school.
Children start first grade between 5 and 7 years old.
Kris Mineau, president of the conservative Massachusetts Family Institute, calls the idea absurd.
But Provincetown School Board Chairman Peter Grosso defended the policy, saying there is no set age when sexual activity starts.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162- ... 91704.html
Well, if you must know, I personally think such a policy is unnecessary because elementary school students don't need condoms, anyway, since they haven't even hit puberty yet.
Oh really, I thought you said they need to be educated how to use contraceptives so they know how to do 'safe sex'. Guess that school board thought the same way, that it better to teach them while a condom being improperly used wouldn't be as big of an issue...
Wherein did I mention children? I was referring to those of pubescent age, i.e. middle/high school students.
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You shouldn't be having sex at all unless you accept the potential consequences that comes with it.
...and unless you understand the proper usage of contraceptives which, while not 100% effective at preventing said consequences, certainly diminish the likelihood of having to suffer under those consequences. I think it would only be fair to mention that, instead of "Don't have sex. Period. End of discussion."
Also referring to sexually transmitted diseases, unless you're saying that all children should be tested to see if they have any sexually transmitted diseases.
I understood the scope of all that you were referring to, which I meant to encompass in everything I was saying as well (using contraceptives to prevent unwanted pregnancies and STIs). And, no, I don't think all teens (I don't know why you're referring to children) should be tested for STIs unless they feel that it's necessary.
Probably because of something like this:
PROVINCETOWN, Mass. (CBS/AP) How young is too young?
That's the question a Massachusetts public school is facing as they have come under fire for making condoms available to all students, even those in elementary school.
Children start first grade between 5 and 7 years old.
Kris Mineau, president of the conservative Massachusetts Family Institute, calls the idea absurd.
But Provincetown School Board Chairman Peter Grosso defended the policy, saying there is no set age when sexual activity starts.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162- ... 91704.html
Well, if you must know, I personally think such a policy is unnecessary because elementary school students don't need condoms, anyway, since they haven't even hit puberty yet.
Oh really, I thought you said they need to be educated how to use contraceptives so they know how to do 'safe sex'. Guess that school board thought the same way, that it better to teach them while a condom being improperly used wouldn't be as big of an issue...
I was referring to those of pubescent age, i.e. middle/high school students.
And I'm pointing out what the school board was probably thinking. Teach them while they are in elementary while it wouldn't be that big of a deal if a condom got ripped or something.
Seriously, this is what I've been telling people there was a problem with.
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i vote to make one and only one all encompasing registered partnership in the eyes of the aw, anything beyond that is personal choice
that way religions can enforce all the regulation and contractual punishment they want (or are legally able to) and the rest wont have to deal with it.
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You shouldn't be having sex at all unless you accept the potential consequences that comes with it.
...and unless you understand the proper usage of contraceptives which, while not 100% effective at preventing said consequences, certainly diminish the likelihood of having to suffer under those consequences. I think it would only be fair to mention that, instead of "Don't have sex. Period. End of discussion."
Also referring to sexually transmitted diseases, unless you're saying that all children should be tested to see if they have any sexually transmitted diseases.
I understood the scope of all that you were referring to, which I meant to encompass in everything I was saying as well (using contraceptives to prevent unwanted pregnancies and STIs). And, no, I don't think all teens (I don't know why you're referring to children) should be tested for STIs unless they feel that it's necessary.
Probably because of something like this:
PROVINCETOWN, Mass. (CBS/AP) How young is too young?
That's the question a Massachusetts public school is facing as they have come under fire for making condoms available to all students, even those in elementary school.
Children start first grade between 5 and 7 years old.
Kris Mineau, president of the conservative Massachusetts Family Institute, calls the idea absurd.
But Provincetown School Board Chairman Peter Grosso defended the policy, saying there is no set age when sexual activity starts.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162- ... 91704.html
Well, if you must know, I personally think such a policy is unnecessary because elementary school students don't need condoms, anyway, since they haven't even hit puberty yet.
Oh really, I thought you said they need to be educated how to use contraceptives so they know how to do 'safe sex'. Guess that school board thought the same way, that it better to teach them while a condom being improperly used wouldn't be as big of an issue...
I was referring to those of pubescent age, i.e. middle/high school students.
And I'm pointing out what the school board was probably thinking. Teach them while they are in elementary while it wouldn't be that big of a deal if a condom got ripped or something.
Seriously, this is what I've been telling people there was a problem with.
So, just because one school board takes an idea too far means that the idea itself is inherently bad?
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What fresh hell is this?
You hitting on someone is enough to make anyone want to stay celibate.
The motion has been seconded.
Shall we put it to a formal vote?
Or, are there any women or men present, who would be willing to, uh, you know....
Seriously, do I have to call the police again.
Well, it is Friday night.
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I never said that I support abstinence only education. The problem that is happening (for example in the US) is that they are teaching teens not to have vaginal sex and the teens think that other types of sexual activity (oral, anal) is fine (while they have no knowledge of birth control). Another problem is that the media conflicts with the message of abstinence. So I think it depends on the context. If the reality is that America is a sex-saturated culture, then it is best to teach methods of contraception. Heck, there are even drug injection clinics. It doesn't mean that you are trying to promote the use of illegal drugs.
My impression was that this (proliferation of oral/anal sex) was actually more of a problem with teens in abstinence-focused areas (research 'technical virginity,' for example). The entire point of comprehensive sex ed is to teach knowledge of birth control and STD prevention.
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That had always been my problem with it.
When I was in high school and most of college, I couldn't have gotten a date, let alone had sex with anyone. So, I was abstinent against my will.
I must say, today sex is maybe the funnest part of marriage.
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There is nothing wrong with being abstinent, but it is difficult, even more so in a within a culture that glamorizes and obsesses over sex. If you can't contain yourself, then just get married. The worst that can happen is it ends in divorce, which is terrible in it's own right, but at least you tried, and you have avoided fornication (the entire purpose of your abstinence, I presume.) Go for someone that is compatible in personality, shares similar values as yourself, and that shares a mutual attraction - you don't have to be 'in love' to get married. That is a demented concept - love comes after marriage if the compatibility exists. I know you Christians don't exactly approach marriage the same way we Muslims do, but it is extraordinarily doubtful that God would rebuke you for pursuing marriage on these terms. We might have a slight disadvantage in finding a compatible spouse here in America, because let's face it, there are many more of you here than us. That doesn't mean that our way of approaching marriage would not benefit a Christian, especially if one finds difficulty in remaining abstinent. Doesn't sound like that is your problem though, but just sayin'.
May you find happiness!
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Well, hell yeah. You say it as if it was a bad thing.
It could be. You would be thinking of whether or not your spouse is "the best one" and you'll be tempted to cheat on them.
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