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04 Oct 2011, 11:50 am

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Without the ten commandments, people will do whatever they want and harm whoever they want
therefore, God exists.

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And with the ten commandments people do whatever they feel like doing, and God does not seem to intervene. What do you make of that?

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04 Oct 2011, 12:03 pm

Fwiw, I'm pretty sure Jesus was on the autistic spectrum.

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04 Oct 2011, 1:01 pm

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Philosophy (n): 1. A route of many roads leading from nowhere to nothing; 2. A means by which pseudo-intellectuals pleasure themselves with words; 3. A method of converting simple and obvious facts into complex and unbelievable paradoxes.

I'm fairly certain to within 98% accuracy that your definition is not shared by the rest of the world.

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04 Oct 2011, 2:25 pm

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I'm fairly certain to within 98% accuracy that your definition is not shared by the rest of the world.

Probably, but it should be.

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04 Oct 2011, 2:35 pm

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cw10 wrote:

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I'm fairly certain to within 98% accuracy that your definition is not shared by the rest of the world.

Probably, but it should be.

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If one has such a high disdain for philosophy and religion... why the PPR? I am actually interested to know?

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04 Oct 2011, 3:00 pm

atheist/agnostic but one who also believes we need to study religious organization and understand what its done for society, why its helped, and put these things back in circulation with the secular world.

philosophy - still useful in the sense that we have layers of meaning to still peel apart with our own relationship with matter. In some senses you can say that, when well-informed it leads scientific hypothesis. It also helps us determine what we want to know or what we want to test. The more perspectives you can take on to look at something the better understanding you'll actually have of it both in its natural sense and as a human contextual object.

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04 Oct 2011, 4:04 pm

:lol: I find it funny that a atheist would care enough to debate the existince of God whom they dont belive exsists in the first place

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04 Oct 2011, 4:22 pm

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:lol: I find it funny that a atheist would care enough to debate the existince of God whom they dont belive exsists in the first place

it affects their lives even if he doesnt exist in force of organized religion having an influence.

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04 Oct 2011, 4:30 pm

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:lol: I find it funny that a atheist would care enough to debate the existince of God whom they dont belive exsists in the first place

it affects their lives even if he doesnt exist in force of organized religion having an influence.

WOW that almost sounds like a conspiracy theory to me if one doesnt belive in God why not contribute to things like math science ect the religious will never go away neither will radical atheists hell bent on ridding the world of religion

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04 Oct 2011, 7:01 pm

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ruveyn wrote:

cw10 wrote:

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I'm fairly certain to within 98% accuracy that your definition is not shared by the rest of the world.

Probably, but it should be. ruveyn

If one has such a high disdain for philosophy and religion... why the PPR? I am actually interested to know?

Actually, it's because of PP&R that I developed the definition. Whether or not it is accurate with regard to real philosophers is a matter of personal judgment. Although I believe that it applies to the majority of those who post in PP&R.

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04 Oct 2011, 7:23 pm

91 wrote:

If one has such a high disdain for philosophy and religion... why the PPR? I am actually interested to know?

Why protest in front of the capital building?

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04 Oct 2011, 7:32 pm

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It bothers me when people are repulsed (intellectually or viscerally) by a particular conception of God, and based on this, claim that God must not exist. At the same time, I suppose it should bother me equally when a particular conception of God strikes a persons fancy (intellectually or viscerally) and based on this, they claim that God does exist.

Well, there is naturally a certain sloppiness in human thinking. I mean, regardless of whether this problem is intellectually justifiable, it makes sense given the common human intellectual shortcuts. Everyone uses shortcuts, as brains are lazy. Nobody actually is a perfect analytic structure, and certainly nobody actually really knows what they are doing, and these elements allow for all sorts of errors and problems.

I suppose if you have tendencies like that though, you're probably bothered by a lot.

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04 Oct 2011, 7:53 pm

Joker wrote:

Oodain wrote:

Joker wrote:

:lol: I find it funny that a atheist would care enough to debate the existince of God whom they dont belive exsists in the first place

it affects their lives even if he doesnt exist in force of organized religion having an influence.

??

to debate the existence of a god is impossible from a human viewpoint both for religous and non religious people, why should a decision then be based on religion and not reason?
the gay marriage debate is one of these areas,

i think i speak for most non-believers when i say we dont care much about peoples personal belief, only the effect on society.
nor do i think most non-believers would laugh gleefully at the demise of religon or spirituality itself, i for one love much of the architecture religion drives people to make, but do i think this justifies church taxes? (no)

how any of this sounds like a conspiracy theory is beyond me as it is visible in many debates around the globe in full public view.

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04 Oct 2011, 10:33 pm

91 wrote:

If one has such a high disdain for philosophy and religion... why the PPR? I am actually interested to know?

We discuss economics, politics and science here also.

Philosophy is fun to discuss even though it has no practical value whatsoever.

It is a fun waste of time.

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05 Oct 2011, 12:36 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

91 wrote:

If one has such a high disdain for philosophy and religion... why the PPR? I am actually interested to know?

Why protest in front of the capital building?

Because doing such will make the vanes of a radiometer rotate in the opposite direction. It's a "miracle" Oberon taught me long ago, and Einstein couldn't even solve but with proclaimed ignorance.

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05 Oct 2011, 12:45 am

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91 wrote:

If one has such a high disdain for philosophy and religion... why the PPR? I am actually interested to know?

Why protest in front of the capital building?

Stirring s**t is not necessarily people's prime motivator for discussing things they dislike.

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