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01 Nov 2011, 7:58 am

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But Eve did not know that her disobedience was wrong.

Because no one told her not to eat the fruit?

Didnt God himself instruct both Adam and Eve to stay away from the fruit tree?

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01 Nov 2011, 8:07 am

naturalplastic wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

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But Eve did not know that her disobedience was wrong.

Because no one told her not to eat the fruit?

Didnt God himself instruct both Adam and Eve to stay away from the fruit tree?

There you go so Lilith is guilty of the same initial sin as Eve (initially)

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01 Nov 2011, 2:24 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:

naturalplastic wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

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But Eve did not know that her disobedience was wrong.

Because no one told her not to eat the fruit?

Didnt God himself instruct both Adam and Eve to stay away from the fruit tree?

There you go so Lilith is guilty of the same initial sin as Eve (initially)

Well..yeah.
Lilith wanted to get on top. And that was against God's will.

And then Eve harkened unto the serpant and persuaded Adam to bite the fruit.

Both ladies violated God's will. So even the good girl was bad. And the bad girl (lilith) was only worse. They both dragged Adam down with them.

I guess poor Adam shouldve just stuck to collecting Star Trek memorabelia and baseball cards.

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01 Nov 2011, 2:42 pm

Eve didn't believe God that it was wrong to eat the fruit.

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01 Nov 2011, 2:42 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:

naturalplastic wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

androbot2084 wrote:

But Eve did not know that her disobedience was wrong.

Because no one told her not to eat the fruit?

Didnt God himself instruct both Adam and Eve to stay away from the fruit tree?

There you go so Lilith is guilty of the same initial sin as Eve (initially)

Right so I guess both women are wrong according to God or as I call him Yahweh.

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01 Nov 2011, 2:49 pm

Adam on the other hand knew it was wrong to eat the fruit but he did it anyway.

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01 Nov 2011, 2:54 pm

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Adam on the other hand knew it was wrong to eat the fruit but he did it anyway.

No he didn't, because he couldn't tell right from wrong prior to eating the fruit.

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01 Nov 2011, 2:55 pm

Suddenly i see "Frazier" as a religious experience...

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01 Nov 2011, 2:56 pm

The Midrash does nothing to explain the platypus ... was God joking?

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01 Nov 2011, 2:56 pm

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Adam on the other hand knew it was wrong to eat the fruit but he did it anyway.

I do believe that it was Man that sinned first all Eve did was tempt Adam and he gave in to temptation by eating the fruit.

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01 Nov 2011, 3:06 pm

femme wrote:

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Adam on the other hand knew it was wrong to eat the fruit but he did it anyway.

I do believe that it was Man that sinned first all Eve did was tempt Adam and he gave in to temptation by eating the fruit.

Snake tempts Eve, Eve gives in, Eve tempts Adam, Adam gives in. Nope, still Eve.

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01 Nov 2011, 3:10 pm

Lecks wrote:

femme wrote:

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Adam on the other hand knew it was wrong to eat the fruit but he did it anyway.

I do believe that it was Man that sinned first all Eve did was tempt Adam and he gave in to temptation by eating the fruit.

Snake tempts Eve, Eve gives in, Eve tempts Adam, Adam gives in. Nope, still Eve.

The Snake tempts Eve to make her tempt Adam who took the first bite of the fruit that transgression was the Snakes goal for Adam to eat the fruit using Eve to tempt him making man sin first.

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01 Nov 2011, 3:12 pm

femme wrote:

The Snake tempts Eve to make her tempt Adam who took the first bite of the fruit that transgression was the Snakes goal for Adam to eat the fruit using Eve to tempt him making man sin first.

Who is more at fault, Eve for trusting the snake over Yahweh and being willing to convince Adam to disobey Yahweh or Adam for trusting Eve?

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01 Nov 2011, 3:17 pm

Lecks wrote:

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The Snake tempts Eve to make her tempt Adam who took the first bite of the fruit that transgression was the Snakes goal for Adam to eat the fruit using Eve to tempt him making man sin first.

Who is more at fault, Eve for trusting the snake over Yahweh and being willing to convince Adam to disobey Yahweh or Adam for trusting Eve?

Good point I see it this way Eve for trusting the snake. Which was wrong but Adam caused the fall to happen for taking the bite of the fruit the snake could not tempt. Adam but he seduced Eve to get Adam to trust her in a way both caused the fall both man and women are guilty.

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01 Nov 2011, 3:21 pm

It can be argued that Adam's sin was worse than Eve's because Adam knew what he was doing was wrong.

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01 Nov 2011, 3:21 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:

naturalplastic wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

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But Eve did not know that her disobedience was wrong.

Because no one told her not to eat the fruit?

Didnt God himself instruct both Adam and Eve to stay away from the fruit tree?

There you go so Lilith is guilty of the same initial sin as Eve (initially)

Seems like we have a slogan for Lilith at this point:

"Lilith: She might have protested Adam putting 'it' 'there' but hey, at least she didn't give him bad apples!"

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