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03 Nov 2011, 11:12 pm
mushroo wrote:
As a pan-theist I certainly find the idea attractive.
I like the hyphen between 'pan' and 'theist'. Oh mighty Tefal, great god of kitchenware.
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03 Nov 2011, 11:20 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Oh, I have no problem with this pastor being able to say anything he likes. I just reserve the right to call him a crackpot.
I support that right 100%, we cool!
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03 Nov 2011, 11:38 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
As I recall, the Apostle Paul had written that it was alright for Christians to eat meat that had been offered to idols, even though said meat had been involved in pagan worship. I think Paul would tell us to go ahead and stretch.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Wrong. Go read your Bible again.
OK...seriously...
If I recall correctly, you're talking about one of the letters to the Corinthians. Meat that was offered to idols could also be sold in the market, so it wasn't always a certainty that you were always getting "clean" meat. The Corinthian mindset was basically that they knew they'd been granted salvation, therefore they were free from worrying much about whether their behavior was sinful or not. The trouble is that they professed to be Christians, but they didn't act very Christ-like.
Paul understood that it was difficult to tell someone to abstain from meat offered to idols since so many people were idol worshippers. In order to abstain from meat offered to idols, someone would have to make a point of not associating from idols worshippers at all--which would completely destroy any chance Corinthian Christians would have of evangelizing their neighbors. Paul's solution was "don't ask/don't tell." Christians could eat meat offered to idols as long as they were not aware that the meat was offered to idols. Culturally this would have been seen as a problem since Christians, who are openly opposed to the worship of other gods, would have been seen as insulting those who worshipped other gods by consuming meat "in an unworthy manner." Paul's advice was go ahead and eat meat, don't ask where it came from, and only abstain from meat when someone specifically says that it was offered to idols.
Just what I pretty much said - but shorter.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
No, not the same at all. If you knowingly participate in something that is a religious observance of anything other than Yahweh worship, you're a sinner. I'm not familiar with yoga to know how it ties in with eastern religion--but if that's the case, then it is not right for Christians to take part in it.
If yoga is done for health reasons, for relaxation, and the religious element is removed or replaced by spiritual focus on Yahweh, then you've basically repurposed it for a proper Christian perspective. My concern would be whether outsiders view Christian yoga practitioners as endorsing eastern religion.
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03 Nov 2011, 11:43 pm
AngelRho wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
As I recall, the Apostle Paul had written that it was alright for Christians to eat meat that had been offered to idols, even though said meat had been involved in pagan worship. I think Paul would tell us to go ahead and stretch.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Wrong. Go read your Bible again.
OK...seriously...
If I recall correctly, you're talking about one of the letters to the Corinthians. Meat that was offered to idols could also be sold in the market, so it wasn't always a certainty that you were always getting "clean" meat. The Corinthian mindset was basically that they knew they'd been granted salvation, therefore they were free from worrying much about whether their behavior was sinful or not. The trouble is that they professed to be Christians, but they didn't act very Christ-like.
Paul understood that it was difficult to tell someone to abstain from meat offered to idols since so many people were idol worshippers. In order to abstain from meat offered to idols, someone would have to make a point of not associating from idols worshippers at all--which would completely destroy any chance Corinthian Christians would have of evangelizing their neighbors. Paul's solution was "don't ask/don't tell." Christians could eat meat offered to idols as long as they were not aware that the meat was offered to idols. Culturally this would have been seen as a problem since Christians, who are openly opposed to the worship of other gods, would have been seen as insulting those who worshipped other gods by consuming meat "in an unworthy manner." Paul's advice was go ahead and eat meat, don't ask where it came from, and only abstain from meat when someone specifically says that it was offered to idols.
Just what I pretty much said - but shorter.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
No, not the same at all. If you knowingly participate in something that is a religious observance of anything other than Yahweh worship, you're a sinner. I'm not familiar with yoga to know how it ties in with eastern religion--but if that's the case, then it is not right for Christians to take part in it.
If yoga is done for health reasons, for relaxation, and the religious element is removed or replaced by spiritual focus on Yahweh, then you've basically repurposed it for a proper Christian perspective. My concern would be whether outsiders view Christian yoga practitioners as endorsing eastern religion.
(Sigh)
With the exception of Hindus, most people practicing yoga are not taking part in Hindu worship. Just like Christians in Paul's time weren't indulging in pagan worship when they ate meat that had been offered to pagan gods.
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04 Nov 2011, 5:09 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Sure, but just the same, I think it's an overreaction to condemn the twisting of ones body because it had begun as a spiritual practice in Hinduism.
I am pro-yoga for the record
and I think you and I went to very different yoga classes if you were taught it is primarily twisting of the body and not a spiritual practice.
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04 Nov 2011, 5:35 am
mushroo wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Sure, but just the same, I think it's an overreaction to condemn the twisting of ones body because it had begun as a spiritual practice in Hinduism.
I am pro-yoga for the record
and I think you and I went to very different yoga classes if you were taught it is primarily twisting of the body and not a spiritual practice.I must admit, I've never done yoga a day in my life. I'm only expressing my personal opinion that the minister who had condemned the use of yoga by Christians is a nutcase.
As I had stated earlier, I have a friend who regularly does yoga, and from what I've gathered, for him it's just a matter of stretching.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
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