Board index › Topical Discussion › Politics, Philosophy, and Religion

Is it Bias when you know what you are saying is wrong?

Page 3 of 3 [ 46 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3

Previous topic | Next topic

Is it Bias when you know what you are saying is wrong?
No, Jake that is called Lying. 87%  87%  [ 13 ]
Obama "pals" around with terrorists. 13%  13%  [ 2 ]
Total votes : 15

Gedrene
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 9 Jul 2011
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,725

07 Nov 2011, 9:32 am

I don't like the loaded question below the first. It's pretty shallow.



JakobVirgil
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Feb 2011
Age: 51
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,744
Location: yes

07 Nov 2011, 10:12 am

Gedrene wrote:
I don't like the loaded question below the first. It's pretty shallow.


I am sincerely sorry, I meant it as a joke and an example of Bias turn into a lie.

it is a fun sentence though because it does not even fit the Ayers-Obama narrative.
"Obama Pals around with terrorists"
the truth is less sexy closer to
Obama used to be neighbors with a former terrorist who is now a teacher
and was even on the board of a republican pro-education charity with him.

I think the funniest part is that the ingrained sexism of the Fox news crowd does not let them notice
that Bernadine was the real "terrorist" Bill was following his "lower" brain.


_________________
?We must not look at goblin men,
We must not buy their fruits:
Who knows upon what soil they fed
Their hungry thirsty roots??

http://jakobvirgil.blogspot.com/


Gedrene
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 9 Jul 2011
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,725

07 Nov 2011, 10:50 am

JakobVirgil wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
I don't like the loaded question below the first. It's pretty shallow.


I am sincerely sorry, I meant it as a joke and an example of Bias turn into a lie.

it is a fun sentence though because it does not even fit the Ayers-Obama narrative.
"Obama Pals around with terrorists"
the truth is less sexy closer to
Obama used to be neighbors with a former terrorist who is now a teacher
and was even on the board of a republican pro-education charity with him.

I think the funniest part is that the ingrained sexism of the Fox news crowd does not let them notice
that Bernadine was the real "terrorist" Bill was following his "lower" brain.

Don't confuse humour with innocent words
I can say that lying is bias without calling Obama a friend of a terrorist.



JakobVirgil
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Feb 2011
Age: 51
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,744
Location: yes

07 Nov 2011, 11:26 am

Gedrene wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
I don't like the loaded question below the first. It's pretty shallow.


I am sincerely sorry, I meant it as a joke and an example of Bias turn into a lie.

it is a fun sentence though because it does not even fit the Ayers-Obama narrative.
"Obama Pals around with terrorists"
the truth is less sexy closer to
Obama used to be neighbors with a former terrorist who is now a teacher
and was even on the board of a republican pro-education charity with him.

I think the funniest part is that the ingrained sexism of the Fox news crowd does not let them notice
that Bernadine was the real "terrorist" Bill was following his "lower" brain.

Don't confuse humour with innocent words
I can say that lying is bias without calling Obama a friend of a terrorist.


My point is that bias is not lying.
Bias is something you come by honest it is how you filter the world.
Lying is when you know better.
My example was saying "Obama pals around with terrorists"
a statement that has some basis in fact (Barry knows Bill)
but becomes a lie because "pals around" is in the present tense and Bill and Barry are not presently close.
Pal is also untrue as they were never very close or as close as "Pal" would imply.
and the lack of a qualifier on the word terrorist (Ayers is a former radical not a friend to Osama)
also terrorist is plural but the story only talks about Bill.
The reason you are offended by the statement is the same reason I used it.
It is an example of the absurd.


_________________
?We must not look at goblin men,
We must not buy their fruits:
Who knows upon what soil they fed
Their hungry thirsty roots??

http://jakobvirgil.blogspot.com/


ruveyn
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Age: 88
Gender: Male
Posts: 31,502
Location: New Jersey

07 Nov 2011, 11:53 am

JakobVirgil wrote:
Lying is when you know better.
.


Lying is uttering or writing a falsehood or partial truth with the intent to deceive.

ruveyn



Ichinin
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 3 Apr 2009
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,653
Location: A cold place with lots of blondes.

07 Nov 2011, 1:30 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Wow, in your complaining about the bias of conservatives, you actually managed to justify their bias of liberals in the same post.



I'm not a liberal. I'm a centrist Swedish national.

You know, that tiny country up in the north that have a good blend of socialism and capitalism which actually runs stable and is not hit so hard by the global recession.

To you i'm leftwing. To a chinese or a russian, i'm a right wing.

To me, you are a resident of a banana republic on welfare.


_________________
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring" (Carl Sagan)


JakobVirgil
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Feb 2011
Age: 51
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,744
Location: yes

07 Nov 2011, 4:06 pm

ruveyn wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Lying is when you know better.


Lying is uttering or writing a falsehood or partial truth with the intent to deceive.

ruveyn


I will say that we agree. :)
the can bridge the gap with
A lie is a statement whose intent is to deceive.
That why we can include true statements as lies like
"she is a known thespian"
when the intent is to make people think a woman is gay or to cloud the subject.


_________________
?We must not look at goblin men,
We must not buy their fruits:
Who knows upon what soil they fed
Their hungry thirsty roots??

http://jakobvirgil.blogspot.com/


Gedrene
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 9 Jul 2011
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,725

07 Nov 2011, 5:45 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
I don't like the loaded question below the first. It's pretty shallow.


I am sincerely sorry, I meant it as a joke and an example of Bias turn into a lie.

it is a fun sentence though because it does not even fit the Ayers-Obama narrative.
"Obama Pals around with terrorists"
the truth is less sexy closer to
Obama used to be neighbors with a former terrorist who is now a teacher
and was even on the board of a republican pro-education charity with him.

I think the funniest part is that the ingrained sexism of the Fox news crowd does not let them notice
that Bernadine was the real "terrorist" Bill was following his "lower" brain.

Don't confuse humour with innocent words
I can say that lying is bias without calling Obama a friend of a terrorist.

My point is that bias is not lying.
Bias is something you come by honest it is how you filter the world.
Lying is when you know better.
My example was saying "Obama pals around with terrorists"
a statement that has some basis in fact (Barry knows Bill)
but becomes a lie because "pals around" is in the present tense and Bill and Barry are not presently close.
Pal is also untrue as they were never very close or as close as "Pal" would imply.
and the lack of a qualifier on the word terrorist (Ayers is a former radical not a friend to Osama)
also terrorist is plural but the story only talks about Bill.
The reason you are offended by the statement is the same reason I used it.
It is an example of the absurd.

I aint offended. But the fact is that Bias can be lying. Just saying. Would you like me to explain?



Inuyasha
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Jan 2009
Age: 41
Gender: Male
Posts: 9,745

07 Nov 2011, 8:22 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
I don't like the loaded question below the first. It's pretty shallow.


I am sincerely sorry, I meant it as a joke and an example of Bias turn into a lie.

it is a fun sentence though because it does not even fit the Ayers-Obama narrative.
"Obama Pals around with terrorists"
the truth is less sexy closer to
Obama used to be neighbors with a former terrorist who is now a teacher
and was even on the board of a republican pro-education charity with him.

I think the funniest part is that the ingrained sexism of the Fox news crowd does not let them notice
that Bernadine was the real "terrorist" Bill was following his "lower" brain.


So you're finally acknowledging Ayers' terrorist activities, well it's a start.

However, Bill Ayers isn't even sorry about the terrorist acts, he wished could do more.

So the statement, "Obama pals around with terrorists," in referency to Bill Ayers is an accurate statement.

This thread really needs to be turned around and directed back towards people that are denying this fact, cause the facts support the Republicans on this, not Democrats.



pandabear
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 16 Aug 2007
Age: 65
Gender: Male
Posts: 9,402

07 Nov 2011, 9:02 pm

Shall we put Bill Ayers on trial here?



JakobVirgil
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Feb 2011
Age: 51
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,744
Location: yes

07 Nov 2011, 9:18 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
I don't like the loaded question below the first. It's pretty shallow.


I am sincerely sorry, I meant it as a joke and an example of Bias turn into a lie.

it is a fun sentence though because it does not even fit the Ayers-Obama narrative.
"Obama Pals around with terrorists"
the truth is less sexy closer to
Obama used to be neighbors with a former terrorist who is now a teacher
and was even on the board of a republican pro-education charity with him.

I think the funniest part is that the ingrained sexism of the Fox news crowd does not let them notice
that Bernadine was the real "terrorist" Bill was following his "lower" brain.


So you're finally acknowledging Ayers' terrorist activities, well it's a start.

However, Bill Ayers isn't even sorry about the terrorist acts, he wished could do more.

So the statement, "Obama pals around with terrorists," in referency to Bill Ayers is an accurate statement.

This thread really needs to be turned around and directed back towards people that are denying this fact, cause the facts support the Republicans on this, not Democrats.


:roll: I recieved a pm telling me not to interact with you at your request and that you would do the same.
was that bias or a lie?


_________________
?We must not look at goblin men,
We must not buy their fruits:
Who knows upon what soil they fed
Their hungry thirsty roots??

http://jakobvirgil.blogspot.com/


pandabear
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 16 Aug 2007
Age: 65
Gender: Male
Posts: 9,402

07 Nov 2011, 9:44 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
I don't like the loaded question below the first. It's pretty shallow.


I am sincerely sorry, I meant it as a joke and an example of Bias turn into a lie.

it is a fun sentence though because it does not even fit the Ayers-Obama narrative.
"Obama Pals around with terrorists"
the truth is less sexy closer to
Obama used to be neighbors with a former terrorist who is now a teacher
and was even on the board of a republican pro-education charity with him.

I think the funniest part is that the ingrained sexism of the Fox news crowd does not let them notice
that Bernadine was the real "terrorist" Bill was following his "lower" brain.


So you're finally acknowledging Ayers' terrorist activities, well it's a start.

However, Bill Ayers isn't even sorry about the terrorist acts, he wished could do more.

So the statement, "Obama pals around with terrorists," in referency to Bill Ayers is an accurate statement.

This thread really needs to be turned around and directed back towards people that are denying this fact, cause the facts support the Republicans on this, not Democrats.


:roll: I recieved a pm telling me not to interact with you at your request and that you would do the same.
was that bias or a lie?


What's going on? Are you two having a little spat of some sort? After all these months (years?) of palling around together?

Image



Inuyasha
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Jan 2009
Age: 41
Gender: Male
Posts: 9,745

07 Nov 2011, 11:26 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
I don't like the loaded question below the first. It's pretty shallow.


I am sincerely sorry, I meant it as a joke and an example of Bias turn into a lie.

it is a fun sentence though because it does not even fit the Ayers-Obama narrative.
"Obama Pals around with terrorists"
the truth is less sexy closer to
Obama used to be neighbors with a former terrorist who is now a teacher
and was even on the board of a republican pro-education charity with him.

I think the funniest part is that the ingrained sexism of the Fox news crowd does not let them notice
that Bernadine was the real "terrorist" Bill was following his "lower" brain.


So you're finally acknowledging Ayers' terrorist activities, well it's a start.

However, Bill Ayers isn't even sorry about the terrorist acts, he wished could do more.

So the statement, "Obama pals around with terrorists," in referency to Bill Ayers is an accurate statement.

This thread really needs to be turned around and directed back towards people that are denying this fact, cause the facts support the Republicans on this, not Democrats.


:roll: I recieved a pm telling me not to interact with you at your request and that you would do the same.
was that bias or a lie?


I'm not going to sit around and not talk about things at all simply cause there is an individual I don't want to interact with in the same topic.

As long as you don't try to provoke me by attacking me personally, I have no real problem with you disagreeing with me either.

I asked the moderator to get you to knock it off with some of your comments that were personal attacks and baiting, I did not ask the moderator to ask you to cease having any interaction with me.



JakobVirgil
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Feb 2011
Age: 51
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,744
Location: yes

08 Nov 2011, 7:35 am

Inuyasha wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
I don't like the loaded question below the first. It's pretty shallow.


I am sincerely sorry, I meant it as a joke and an example of Bias turn into a lie.

it is a fun sentence though because it does not even fit the Ayers-Obama narrative.
"Obama Pals around with terrorists"
the truth is less sexy closer to
Obama used to be neighbors with a former terrorist who is now a teacher
and was even on the board of a republican pro-education charity with him.

I think the funniest part is that the ingrained sexism of the Fox news crowd does not let them notice
that Bernadine was the real "terrorist" Bill was following his "lower" brain.


So you're finally acknowledging Ayers' terrorist activities, well it's a start.

However, Bill Ayers isn't even sorry about the terrorist acts, he wished could do more.

So the statement, "Obama pals around with terrorists," in referency to Bill Ayers is an accurate statement.

This thread really needs to be turned around and directed back towards people that are denying this fact, cause the facts support the Republicans on this, not Democrats.


:roll: I recieved a pm telling me not to interact with you at your request and that you would do the same.
was that bias or a lie?


I'm not going to sit around and not talk about things at all simply cause there is an individual I don't want to interact with in the same topic.

As long as you don't try to provoke me by attacking me personally, I have no real problem with you disagreeing with me either.

I asked the moderator to get you to knock it off with some of your comments that were personal attacks and baiting, I did not ask the moderator to ask you to cease having any interaction with me.


Well I am going to take the moderator at his word and ask you to stop lying and misrepresenting my friend in this thread
as I am the OP. and your commenting (especially when you do so with falsehoods) in it will force me to interact with you.
sorry.


_________________
?We must not look at goblin men,
We must not buy their fruits:
Who knows upon what soil they fed
Their hungry thirsty roots??

http://jakobvirgil.blogspot.com/