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18 Nov 2011, 3:24 pm

Vigilans wrote:

What will vegans think of meat "grown" industrially through genetic engineering/stem cell technology?

personally I can't wait to try it!

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sounds like my diet. I eat meat when offered because I don't want to be rude. saying no to a meal is just super-offensive. I have eaten roadkill on several occasions too, no problem with that

You're not like that fella who loves to pick dead badgers off the road, take them home and cook them are you?

hey I read about that fella in the guardian (ha! caught you reading leftist media now haven't I! :twisted:

). I guess I'd do that if I lived out in the countryside and had no work to do. it's quite a tempting idea actually.

btw hey vegans do you eat mussels and scallops and such?

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18 Nov 2011, 3:27 pm

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I think it's great. But aint gonna happen not in my lifetime. Many choose veganism for health reasons though.

You are a vegan? I'm glad to hear you are positive towards the idea. You might be surprised to know they have already "grown" meat; within the next twenty years I can almost guarantee we will see this industry rapidly expand

Yes I am for quite some time now (but in a sense of not consuming w/ as someone put it in *freegan*/Buddhistic tendencies I am not very fond of (what I consider to be)radical wings). I am very optimistic with applying this technology in medicine and I've followed the development, however, I doubt it will go for mass consumption - not only it will be too expensive for quite some time and meat industry will oppose it but people tend to refuse anything gmo-like. But technology is amazing and you never know. But by that time there might be some extensive studies done on the harm (or the opposite) of animal protein to, say, longevity.

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18 Nov 2011, 3:29 pm

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btw hey vegans do you eat mussels and scallops and such?

It varies from culture to culture. Most USA/UK vegans do not eat any land or sea animals, but there are parts of Asia where shellfish aren't considered "animals" because they don't have faces and are rooted to one spot like plants. Thus you will see dishes like "tofu and broccoli with oyster sauce" in some Chinese restaurants.

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18 Nov 2011, 3:35 pm

mushroo wrote:

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btw hey vegans do you eat mussels and scallops and such?

faces aside, they have no brains! they're just slabs of meat that react to stimulus!

I could never understand why some vegans/vegetarians wouldn't eat them.

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18 Nov 2011, 3:38 pm

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I could never understand why some vegans/vegetarians wouldn't eat them.

b/c its animal protein D:

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18 Nov 2011, 3:41 pm

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faces aside, they have no brains! they're just slabs of meat that react to stimulus!

I could never understand why some vegans/vegetarians wouldn't eat them.

The most commonly accepted definition for "vegetarian" is "a person who does not eat meat."
Does this help you understand why a vegetarian might choose not to eat "slabs of meat that react to stimulus"?

(I like eating mussels and scallops personally, just sayin'.)

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18 Nov 2011, 3:53 pm

I found an interesting parallel: carbon offsets.

If we aren't supposed to eat meat, then why is it delicious...?

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18 Nov 2011, 4:14 pm

mushroo wrote:

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faces aside, they have no brains! they're just slabs of meat that react to stimulus!

I could never understand why some vegans/vegetarians wouldn't eat them.

when I was a vegetarian I defined myself differently, maybe that's why I don't get it. just "not eating meat" says nothing about the reasoning behind it, but I guess it is the most common definition.

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18 Nov 2011, 4:18 pm

anna-banana wrote:

when I was a vegetarian I defined myself differently...

Tell me more! Were you a "nothing with a face" vegetarian, or something different?

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18 Nov 2011, 4:41 pm

mushroo wrote:

anna-banana wrote:

when I was a vegetarian I defined myself differently...

Tell me more! Were you a "nothing with a face" vegetarian, or something different?

actually I was a "nothing with a university degree" kind.

:wink:

seriously though I was just a boring "nothing that can feel pain" kind of a vegetarian. if a cow gave birth to a face with no brain attached, I'd have eaten it.

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18 Nov 2011, 4:46 pm

Vegetarian diets are more efficient when we talk about resources. But I like eating meat, land-based and sea-based. I take the Temple Grandin approach to meat eating.

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18 Nov 2011, 6:06 pm

mushroo wrote:

Vigilans wrote:

What will vegans think of meat "grown" industrially through genetic engineering/stem cell technology?

I imagine there are also many non-veg who would choose not to eat this product.

I would switch to it straight away and I eat quite a lot of meat (about 6/7 days a week). I have been switching more to wild fish (and occasional game) but I still eat meat regularly.

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18 Nov 2011, 7:07 pm

mar00 wrote:

I almost gave into temptation to bring to you a vegan rant.

And I almost gave into the temptation to write scornful verbiage back.

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18 Nov 2011, 7:25 pm

Tequila wrote:

mar00 wrote:

I almost gave into temptation to bring to you a vegan rant.

And I almost gave into the temptation to write scornful verbiage back.

Hold on havent you done that already.

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18 Nov 2011, 8:50 pm

Tequila wrote:

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Still have got nothing to say?

I still don't think there are good reasons not to eat meat. It is down to personal preference, by and large.

Animal flesh is the most concentrate source of vital proteins. To get the same from plants ten times the volume would have to be eaten if taken directly. The problem with animal flesh is that the meat from cattle and sheep requires 8 to 10 pounds of feed to produce one pound of edible flesh. That is inefficent. Fish are a more efficient source of protein. About a pound and half of feed to produce a pound of edible product. And the fish have beneficial oils and fats as well, which most plants are lacking.

The main thing is that meat (flesh) properly prepared tastes so good.

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18 Nov 2011, 8:51 pm

I think veganism is arbitrary morality and anyone telling me that I would be a better person if I stopped eating chicken sounds as horribly irrational as a Christian telling me I should go to mass every Sunday.

If you don't like meat or have health issues that make you unable to eat it, then be my guest and don't eat it. However, I'll be enjoying the huge plethora of extra flavors that my omnivore diet offers.

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