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30 Nov 2011, 12:26 pm

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I think we (U.S.) are currently under an oligarchy, headed for some kind of revolution [that will fail and then] We'll probably end up with an [even more] backward, redneck Christian dictatorship [than we have now] that is disguised as a democratic movement. Then we'll [keep having] WWIII with the Middle East.

I edited your post for clarity. ;)

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30 Nov 2011, 12:35 pm

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Once the workers are in "control" the Mafia will take over. Look at U.S. labor unions. If they are effective at all, they are in the hands of organized crime. Like the Teamsters Union.

Um...my Grandpa was a Teamsters boss (back in the hoffa years)...and it wasn't a union at all, it was organized crime. He carried a 9mm, it was part of the job.

I personally feel the Unions to be a complete sham that has nothing to do with worker advocacy. The Unions as the now stand (Wobblies excepted), are workers ceding control to professional advocates. Advocates that bargain for their personal profit. Unions have ceded nearly every "worker's right" that was won at the turn of the 19th-20th century, quite slowly, in tacit agreement with the business owners.

Unions have nothing to do with direct worker control. Their purpose is to convince workers to shut up and go back to work.

My Grandaddy was an old time Wobbly!

Also, my Dad had been a union grievance man with the Steel Workers of America. Never once did he take advantage of workers, and "tell them to get back to work," when they had legitimate grievances with the company.

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30 Nov 2011, 12:36 pm

^^ :lol:

Yes, rather.

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30 Nov 2011, 3:50 pm

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JakobVirgil wrote:

As any thinking person knows we are headed to an inevitable horrible future.
but which one?

(F)ascism?
(C)ommunism?
(R)eligious dictatorship?
a (L)iberal cesspool where dogs can marry cats?
(A)narchy

All of the above. They can all be found in Occupy Wall Street alone.

Yes because Facism and what the Occupy movement stands for are pretty much the same thing same goes for religious dictatorships.

There is a fair amount of all the others but I don't think there are many facists or people who would like a religious dictatorship in the Occupy movement.

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30 Nov 2011, 4:47 pm

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http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/17/red-white-and-angry%E2%80%A8-communist-nazi-parties-endorse-occupy-protests/

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“I urgently URGE all of you,” the statement’s unnamed author added, “to TAKE PART and JOIN IN when these protests hit your neck of the woods. Produce some flyers EXPLAINING the ‘JEW BANKER’ influence — DON’T wear anything marking you as an ‘evil racist’ — and GET OUT THERE and SPREAD the WORD!”

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30 Nov 2011, 4:54 pm

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http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/17/red-white-and-angry%E2%80%A8-communist-nazi-parties-endorse-occupy-protests/

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The Nazis only supported the Occupy movement because they (the Nazis) associate the banks with Jews. That, and because it would get the Neo-Nazis free publicity. Otherwise, the Nazis would be accusing the Occupy people of being communists and dirty hippies.
This is BS that the Republicans blow out of proportion. Funny how the Republicans were quiet when White Supremacists had promoted - and even took part in - the Tea Party.

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30 Nov 2011, 5:03 pm

JWC wrote:

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http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/17/red-white-and-angry%E2%80%A8-communist-nazi-parties-endorse-occupy-protests/

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That does not mean the occupy protests endorse them........though I see nothing wrong with the communist party, but yeah I am pretty sure the majority of people participating in the Occupy protests do not support neo-nazis. I would be under the impression the stupid nazi organization just feels they can somehow use the movement to their advangtage they don't actually support what its about if you knew anything about neo-nazis that would go along with their logic....and the part of the article that says

'While Nazis seem unenthusiastic about visibly linking their flagship organization to the vocal protests that have popped up in dozens of U.S. cities, the same can’t be said of the Communist Party USA.

seems to confirm my theory.

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30 Nov 2011, 5:25 pm

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http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/17/red-white-and-angry%E2%80%A8-communist-nazi-parties-endorse-occupy-protests/

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Nazis, fascists, socialists, communists...all collectivist scum. None have any respect for or understanding of individual rights. Collectivism is not about helping others, it's about controlling others and making subjects out of citizens.

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30 Nov 2011, 5:35 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

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http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/17/red-white-and-angry%E2%80%A8-communist-nazi-parties-endorse-occupy-protests/

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Republicans/Social conservatives/White Supremacists = moral collectivists

Democrats/Occupiers/Liberals = economic collectivists

Both want control over you; the first seeks to be the master of your mind, the other seeks to be the master of the products of your labor. Either way you're still a slave.

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30 Nov 2011, 5:41 pm

JWC wrote:

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http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/17/red-white-and-angry%E2%80%A8-communist-nazi-parties-endorse-occupy-protests/

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Isn't that a tad bit cynical?

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30 Nov 2011, 5:42 pm

We are headed for Shariah Law, combined with legal abortion and gay marriage.

Unless we elect Barbara Bachman save us from this godless Islamic hell!

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30 Nov 2011, 5:50 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

JWC wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

JWC wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/17/red-white-and-angry%E2%80%A8-communist-nazi-parties-endorse-occupy-protests/

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Isn't that a tad bit cynical?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Cynical or not, it's the truth.

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30 Nov 2011, 5:52 pm

JWC wrote:

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http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/17/red-white-and-angry%E2%80%A8-communist-nazi-parties-endorse-occupy-protests/

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Well thats a load of bull.......I can see that with Nazis and facists, but socialism and communism not so much. Communism means a classless society so how do you figure its about controlling others and making subjects out of citizens.....I mean with what ruling class? after all there can be no ruling class in true communism.

As for socialism it does have its flaws however it is a system based more upon the idea of providing for all the people, unlike Facism or Nazism which actually are all about controlling others and making subjects out of citizens.

nice try though.

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30 Nov 2011, 5:55 pm

JWC wrote:

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http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/17/red-white-and-angry%E2%80%A8-communist-nazi-parties-endorse-occupy-protests/

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I question the accuracy of this.

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30 Nov 2011, 6:01 pm

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JWC wrote:

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Sweetleaf wrote:

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/17/red-white-and-angry%E2%80%A8-communist-nazi-parties-endorse-occupy-protests/

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I question the accuracy of this.

Question it all you want. The more you question it, the sooner you will realize that it is irrefutable.

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30 Nov 2011, 6:04 pm

JWC wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

JWC wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

JWC wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/17/red-white-and-angry%E2%80%A8-communist-nazi-parties-endorse-occupy-protests/

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Isn't that a tad bit cynical?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Cynical or not, it's the truth.

What makes you think a "libertarian" society would let you be a "master of the products of your labor"? Was this ever the case for ordinary workers in the 19th century industrial dystopias of the world? I'd use your favorite word to describe your "libertarian" brainwashing... ludicrous.

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