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04 Jan 2012, 11:18 am

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Would someone please post a list of Religious Achievements of 2011 to provide balance to the list of Scientific Achievements of 2011?


I'm not exactly sure what you were looking for. I can't speak for all religions except the one that I belong to. Here are the achievements for Jehovah's Witnesses:

• 7,508,050 million active Jehovah Witnesses who go out try to spread the good news about God's kingdom. This number does not include inactive or former Witnesses. (per 2010)
• 107,210 congregations worldwide. (per 2010)
• This kingdom preaching work now covers 236 countries, and probably quite a few where the work is currently underground.
• 8,058,359 million people are studying the bible with Jehovah's Witnesses. That's 1.07 bible study per Witness. (per 2010)
• 18,706,895 million people attended the memorial of Jesus death in 2010.
• 1,604,764,248 billion hours were spent in the ministry in 2010 alone. (1.6 BILLION)
• There are 3 Hmong language congregations in the entire world; all of them in the United States and two in California. :)
• The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah's Kingdom (Public Edition) is the most widely circulated magazine in the world, with an average print run of over 42,000,000 copies per month.
• The Watchtower is one of the longest running, continuously published religious magazines in the world. First printing released on July 1, 1879.
The fastest growing denomination in 2011 in the United States
• The entire organization has been completely financed by voluntary donations since 1990. (I'm not one hundred percent sure about the date, but I do remember it being somewhere between the late 80's and early 90's)

All credit goes to Jehovah for making this possible. (Revelation 4:11) There's no way this work would continue, much less grow, (Isaiah 60:22) under the level of apathy in the world today towards religion (Matthew 24:12; 2 Timothy 3:5) without his holy spirit (John 14:16,17,26) and the direction of our King, Christ Jesus. (Ephesians 5:23, 29; Colossians 1:18 )
So in other words, it has accomplished nothing other than self-aggrandizement.



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04 Jan 2012, 11:53 am

Religion has done far less than science in the year 2011.



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04 Jan 2012, 12:57 pm

2011 wasn't a great year. It helped millions of people from dropping into a nihilistic funk.


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04 Jan 2012, 1:14 pm

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Would someone please post a list of Religious Achievements of 2011 to provide balance to the list of Scientific Achievements of 2011?

Thank you.

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Well it seems one religion has refrained from blowing up people that much.

Another has spoken up for the right to protest (St Pauls London), but then resigned.



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04 Jan 2012, 1:15 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:
kxmode wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Would someone please post a list of Religious Achievements of 2011 to provide balance to the list of Scientific Achievements of 2011?


I'm not exactly sure what you were looking for. I can't speak for all religions except the one that I belong to. Here are the achievements for Jehovah's Witnesses:

• 7,508,050 million active Jehovah Witnesses who go out try to spread the good news about God's kingdom. This number does not include inactive or former Witnesses. (per 2010)
• 107,210 congregations worldwide. (per 2010)
• This kingdom preaching work now covers 236 countries, and probably quite a few where the work is currently underground.
• 8,058,359 million people are studying the bible with Jehovah's Witnesses. That's 1.07 bible study per Witness. (per 2010)
• 18,706,895 million people attended the memorial of Jesus death in 2010.
• 1,604,764,248 billion hours were spent in the ministry in 2010 alone. (1.6 BILLION)
• There are 3 Hmong language congregations in the entire world; all of them in the United States and two in California. :)
• The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah's Kingdom (Public Edition) is the most widely circulated magazine in the world, with an average print run of over 42,000,000 copies per month.
• The Watchtower is one of the longest running, continuously published religious magazines in the world. First printing released on July 1, 1879.
The fastest growing denomination in 2011 in the United States
• The entire organization has been completely financed by voluntary donations since 1990. (I'm not one hundred percent sure about the date, but I do remember it being somewhere between the late 80's and early 90's)

All credit goes to Jehovah for making this possible. (Revelation 4:11) There's no way this work would continue, much less grow, (Isaiah 60:22) under the level of apathy in the world today towards religion (Matthew 24:12; 2 Timothy 3:5) without his holy spirit (John 14:16,17,26) and the direction of our King, Christ Jesus. (Ephesians 5:23, 29; Colossians 1:18 )
So in other words, it has accomplished nothing other than self-aggrandizement.


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04 Jan 2012, 2:23 pm

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All I'm asking is that people shotcan the BS and post a valid list of things that the "Body of Religion" has accomplished over the past year in order to provide a "balance" to the list I posted of accomplishments by the "Body of Science" - that's all.

Can you do that?

Will you do that, please?


Suppose that no one can provide a "valid list of things" that religion has accomplished in 2011. What is your point?



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04 Jan 2012, 2:32 pm

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All I'm asking is that people shotcan the BS and post a valid list of things that the "Body of Religion" has accomplished over the past year in order to provide a "balance" to the list I posted of accomplishments by the "Body of Science" - that's all.

Can you do that?

Will you do that, please?


Suppose that no one can provide a "valid list of things" that religion has accomplished in 2011. What is your point?
That is his point...



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04 Jan 2012, 2:34 pm

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I look forward to being enlightened


You already are. :P


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04 Jan 2012, 2:55 pm

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All I'm asking is that people shotcan the BS and post a valid list of things that the "Body of Religion" has accomplished over the past year in order to provide a "balance" to the list I posted of accomplishments by the "Body of Science" - that's all.

Can you do that?

Will you do that, please?


Suppose that no one can provide a "valid list of things" that religion has accomplished in 2011. What is your point?
That is his point...


Then his point is worthless. Religions do not exist to make material advancements. The criteria he's set up to assess the value of religion is inappropriate. It's like demanding a list of aesthetic achievements made by science in 2011. Of course there wouldn't be any, but that doesn't mean that science is inferior to art. It means they have different functions.



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04 Jan 2012, 2:59 pm

and thats okay as long as religions themselves act on that but they insist to enlargen themselves to encompass so much more and for organizations that claim to be the ultimate power of good or whatever they sure dont show much for it.


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04 Jan 2012, 3:57 pm

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So in other words, it has accomplished nothing other than self-aggrandizement.


That's not fair. I think the scientific achievements Fnord listed are amazing. I especially liked the discovery of two earth-like planets. And the activities with the CERN particle accelerator is very exciting.

I'm not in the habit of going around PPR and posting the above list. I only posted it to respond to Fnord's request. Whether you believe it or not you can't deny that there are a lot of bible studies being conducted and MANY hours (close to 2 BILLION) where spent in the ministry world wide by volunteers. From a religious achievement you have to admit that is pretty remarkable.

Despite your apathy or hatred of religion, specifically towards Jehovah's Witnesses, you should keep things fair and not attack me for posting what was asked. Just acknowledge the achievements and move on. There's no need to make snide remarks. :(



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04 Jan 2012, 3:57 pm

Telekon wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
Telekon wrote:
Fnord wrote:
All I'm asking is that people shotcan the BS and post a valid list of things that the "Body of Religion" has accomplished over the past year in order to provide a "balance" to the list I posted of accomplishments by the "Body of Science" - that's all.

Can you do that?

Will you do that, please?


Suppose that no one can provide a "valid list of things" that religion has accomplished in 2011. What is your point?
That is his point...


Then his point is worthless. Religions do not exist to make material advancements. The criteria he's set up to assess the value of religion is inappropriate. It's like demanding a list of aesthetic achievements made by science in 2011. Of course there wouldn't be any, but that doesn't mean that science is inferior to art. It means they have different functions.


I think the point is to show that religion does not advance our thinking or knowledge of the world or universe in the way science does.



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04 Jan 2012, 4:28 pm

What you should ask: What religion has done in 2011 years.



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04 Jan 2012, 4:29 pm

kxmode wrote:
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So in other words, it has accomplished nothing other than self-aggrandizement.


That's not fair. I think the scientific achievements Fnord listed are amazing. I especially liked the discovery of two earth-like planets. And the activities with the CERN particle accelerator is very exciting.

I'm not in the habit of going around PPR and posting the above list. I only posted it to respond to Fnord's request. Whether you believe it or not you can't deny that there are a lot of bible studies being conducted and MANY hours (close to 2 BILLION) where spent in the ministry world wide by volunteers. From a religious achievement you have to admit that is pretty remarkable.

Despite your apathy or hatred of religion, specifically towards Jehovah's Witnesses, you should keep things fair and not attack me for posting what was asked. Just acknowledge the achievements and move on. There's no need to make snide remarks. :(


Don't take this the wrong way, but having lots of hours of Bible studies is not much of an accomplishment. Since it is done by volunteers I can think of plenty of useful things volunteers could have done instead that would contribute to causes greater than that single minded purpose. The achievements listed by Fnord have far reaching results, that affect life far outside the lab. I don't think any religion can make this same claim.


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04 Jan 2012, 4:49 pm

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The achievements listed by Fnord have far reaching results, that affect life far outside the lab. I don't think any religion can make this same claim.


Is the claim far-reaching results, that affect life far outside the lab? If so then most religions could claim to have achieved such things - e.g. the Catholic Church created the university system.



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04 Jan 2012, 4:51 pm

Telekon wrote:
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The achievements listed by Fnord have far reaching results, that affect life far outside the lab. I don't think any religion can make this same claim.


Is the claim far-reaching results, that affect life far outside the lab? If so then most religions could claim to have achieved such things - e.g. the church created the university system.


The implication in this thread and the science thread is that these are important events that will have beneficial results on society....
As to the university system- that's great, actually. But... Did they do that in 2011?


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