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11 Jan 2012, 5:36 pm

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It really does not make a difference who gets elected, if anyone halfway decent gets elected they will probably just get 'assasinated'...that probably sounds paranoid as hell but I am pretty sure that is what happened. You really think someone within the system can openly fight the system and live to see the results? No one running for president has that sort of power.


That's not paranoid, that's just how the world works.
Just ask John & Bobby Kennedy, oh wait....

If Ron Paul by some fluke got elected president, if he didn't get completely stonewalled on all his ideas, he would probably "die of old age" while in office.

The folks who control the western governments play hard ball, they have immense power and will not let anyone stand in their way.


exactly.


Terrible reason to throw up your hands and say it doesn't matter.


Ok well then what is voting going to accomplish? playing along with a flawed system isen't going to do any good.


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11 Jan 2012, 6:10 pm

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Television is the most awesome god damn propaganda force in the whole entire world, it's no wonder people vote for guys like the Bush's and Romney, the same people would believe anything else on TV in the same manner as well, the credulity of Americans is staggering. Anyone ever seen that movie "Network"? When the mad prophet says "there is now an entire generation of people that never knew anything that didn't come out of this tube". I heard that and thought to myself my god, it's true. I'm convinced that movie was based on truth, made into a fiction.


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11 Jan 2012, 6:16 pm

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Television is the most awesome god damn propaganda force in the whole entire world, it's no wonder people vote for guys like the Bush's and Romney, the same people would believe anything else on TV in the same manner as well, the credulity of Americans is staggering. Anyone ever seen that movie "Network"? When the mad prophet says "there is now an entire generation of people that never knew anything that didn't come out of this tube". I heard that and thought to myself my god, it's true. I'm convinced that movie was based on truth, made into a fiction.


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When I said TV I was largely referring to news media, I think on this forum I should start being as literal as possible, I'm not sure why people here have such trouble reading between the lines. Feel free to cherry pick my post any way you want.



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11 Jan 2012, 6:20 pm

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Television is the most awesome god damn propaganda force in the whole entire world, it's no wonder people vote for guys like the Bush's and Romney, the same people would believe anything else on TV in the same manner as well, the credulity of Americans is staggering. Anyone ever seen that movie "Network"? When the mad prophet says "there is now an entire generation of people that never knew anything that didn't come out of this tube". I heard that and thought to myself my god, it's true. I'm convinced that movie was based on truth, made into a fiction.


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When I said TV I was largely referring to news media, I think on this forum I should start being as literal as possible, I'm not sure why people here have such trouble reading between the lines. Feel free to cherry pick my post any way you want.


Don't take it so personally. I just thought it was funny.



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11 Jan 2012, 6:23 pm

How about a few home truths?

Citizen in your country possess a range of power, prosperity and freedom matched by only few others. Those of us who share this prosperity and freedom would do well to remember that no matter how flawed our political and economic systems might be, we are, nonetheless, among the most privileged of people.

There is much that merits reform, to be sure. But to suggest that our capitals are "FUBAR" is hyperbole. There are billions of people in the world who would risk everything in order to live in countries as f***ed up as ours.


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11 Jan 2012, 6:52 pm

visagrunt wrote:
How about a few home truths?

Citizen in your country possess a range of power, prosperity and freedom matched by only few others. Those of us who share this prosperity and freedom would do well to remember that no matter how flawed our political and economic systems might be, we are, nonetheless, among the most privileged of people.

There is much that merits reform, to be sure. But to suggest that our capitals are "FUBAR" is hyperbole. There are billions of people in the world who would risk everything in order to live in countries as f***ed up as ours.


Citizens in this country possess a range of power if they have money, if not then not so much.


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11 Jan 2012, 7:06 pm

visagrunt wrote:
How about a few home truths?

Citizen in your country possess a range of power, prosperity and freedom matched by only few others. Those of us who share this prosperity and freedom would do well to remember that no matter how flawed our political and economic systems might be, we are, nonetheless, among the most privileged of people.

There is much that merits reform, to be sure. But to suggest that our capitals are "FUBAR" is hyperbole. There are billions of people in the world who would risk everything in order to live in countries as f***ed up as ours.
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11 Jan 2012, 7:15 pm

Visagrunt is too reasonable and rational for the interwebs. :lol:


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11 Jan 2012, 7:29 pm

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America is not an individual capable of learning in a linear fashion, so assuming a nation can learn a lesson is ridiculous.


Read between the lines. Of course I was referring to the inhabitants of the nation.


Read between the lines. Of course I was referring to the fact that you cannot expect millions of unique individuals, all subject to birth, death, immigration and emigration, to act in anything resembling a singular or linear fashion.


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11 Jan 2012, 8:21 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
snapcap wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
pete1061 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
It really does not make a difference who gets elected, if anyone halfway decent gets elected they will probably just get 'assasinated'...that probably sounds paranoid as hell but I am pretty sure that is what happened. You really think someone within the system can openly fight the system and live to see the results? No one running for president has that sort of power.


That's not paranoid, that's just how the world works.
Just ask John & Bobby Kennedy, oh wait....

If Ron Paul by some fluke got elected president, if he didn't get completely stonewalled on all his ideas, he would probably "die of old age" while in office.

The folks who control the western governments play hard ball, they have immense power and will not let anyone stand in their way.


exactly.


Terrible reason to throw up your hands and say it doesn't matter.


Ok well then what is voting going to accomplish? playing along with a flawed system isen't going to do any good.


How about starting with educating yourself on the issues at hand, develop an opinion on how you feel about them, vote for the guy that closely resembles with what you agree with, then pressure that person to do what they said they would do?

If you don't feel like there's nothing voting can accomplish, then don't participate. But don't complain either.


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11 Jan 2012, 8:30 pm

snapcap wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
snapcap wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
pete1061 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
It really does not make a difference who gets elected, if anyone halfway decent gets elected they will probably just get 'assasinated'...that probably sounds paranoid as hell but I am pretty sure that is what happened. You really think someone within the system can openly fight the system and live to see the results? No one running for president has that sort of power.


That's not paranoid, that's just how the world works.
Just ask John & Bobby Kennedy, oh wait....

If Ron Paul by some fluke got elected president, if he didn't get completely stonewalled on all his ideas, he would probably "die of old age" while in office.

The folks who control the western governments play hard ball, they have immense power and will not let anyone stand in their way.


exactly.


Terrible reason to throw up your hands and say it doesn't matter.


Ok well then what is voting going to accomplish? playing along with a flawed system isen't going to do any good.


How about starting with educating yourself on the issues at hand, develop an opinion on how you feel about them, vote for the guy that closely resembles with what you agree with, then pressure that person to do what they said they would do?

If you don't feel like there's nothing voting can accomplish, then don't participate. But don't complain either.


Positive change will not come through playing along with this BS system.....the elections are just a freaking act put on so people can feel like they are accomplishing something by voting for politicians who tell them what they want to hear. I also have every right to complain as I have educated myself on the issues and know how I feel about it.


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11 Jan 2012, 8:39 pm

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Positive change will not come through playing along with this BS system.....the elections are just a freaking act put on so people can feel like they are accomplishing something by voting for politicians who tell them what they want to hear. I also have every right to complain as I have educated myself on the issues and know how I feel about it.


So you're waiting for negative change sitting on your hands? The system sucks because of the same apathy that you show. 41% of people went into the Iowa caucuses not knowing who they were voting for. The figure was 56% for NH. Why do they bother going at all if they don't know what the heck is going on? I don't think your attitude will bring any change that you would like.


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11 Jan 2012, 8:49 pm

snapcap wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:

Positive change will not come through playing along with this BS system.....the elections are just a freaking act put on so people can feel like they are accomplishing something by voting for politicians who tell them what they want to hear. I also have every right to complain as I have educated myself on the issues and know how I feel about it.


So you're waiting for negative change sitting on your hands? The system sucks because of the same apathy that you show. 41% of people went into the Iowa caucuses not knowing who they were voting for. The figure was 56% for NH. Why do they bother going at all if they don't know what the heck is going on? I don't think your attitude will bring any change that you would like.


The people in NH were busy the choosing the lesser of evils. They knew exactly what they were doing. Very few of the voters were enthusiastic about their choice.

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11 Jan 2012, 8:58 pm

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snapcap wrote:
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Positive change will not come through playing along with this BS system.....the elections are just a freaking act put on so people can feel like they are accomplishing something by voting for politicians who tell them what they want to hear. I also have every right to complain as I have educated myself on the issues and know how I feel about it.


So you're waiting for negative change sitting on your hands? The system sucks because of the same apathy that you show. 41% of people went into the Iowa caucuses not knowing who they were voting for. The figure was 56% for NH. Why do they bother going at all if they don't know what the heck is going on? I don't think your attitude will bring any change that you would like.


The people in NH were busy the choosing the lesser of evils. They knew exactly what they were doing. Very few of the voters were enthusiastic about their choice.

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11 Jan 2012, 8:58 pm

OP just sounds like a bunch of hate mongering towards America.


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11 Jan 2012, 9:11 pm

snapcap wrote:
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Positive change will not come through playing along with this BS system.....the elections are just a freaking act put on so people can feel like they are accomplishing something by voting for politicians who tell them what they want to hear. I also have every right to complain as I have educated myself on the issues and know how I feel about it.


So you're waiting for negative change sitting on your hands? The system sucks because of the same apathy that you show. 41% of people went into the Iowa caucuses not knowing who they were voting for. The figure was 56% for NH. Why do they bother going at all if they don't know what the heck is going on? I don't think your attitude will bring any change that you would like.


It's not apathy I think things do need to change, but voting isen't going to do anything, again positive change will not be made through the current system.


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