Why does the US have twice as many Psycopths as the UK?
undefineable wrote:
Ofcourse, the reason why we never hear about *male* genital mutilation is because jews - who hold our purse-strings more (not less) than ever before - do it. That's not an antisemitic comment, just what looks like a statement of fact; correct me if I'm wrong.
The reason you never hear male circumcision being called genital mutilation is because it's harmless. It won't mess up sex and your psychology for the rest of your life. It just makes it harder to masturbate. Female genital mutilation would be the equivalent of cutting off your penis, not your foreskin.
fraac wrote:
Female genital mutilation would be the equivalent of cutting off your penis, not your foreskin.
I watched a programme once and they said that as well as it being unbelievable agony in addition to being extremely dangerous and scarring that it left the poor ladies unable to feel anything down there for the rest of their lives.
Surfman wrote:
Gross capitalism vrs Socialist/Tory mix
or conformation bias.
which country has the higher per capita stranger/serial killer numbers
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naturalplastic wrote:
The people with the psychopathic gene all emigrated to the new country.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
great thought what is the rate in Australia?
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JakobVirgil wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
The people with the psychopathic gene all emigrated to the new country.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
great thought what is the rate in Australia?
Interesting question.
Like America Australia was a frontier country populated by immigrants, but on top of that Australia was also a penal colony. All of the felons in Britain were sent there. So if there is a genetic link to sociopathy then Australia would be real cesspool!
naturalplastic wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
The people with the psychopathic gene all emigrated to the new country.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
great thought what is the rate in Australia?
Interesting question.
Like America Australia was a frontier country populated by immigrants, but on top of that Australia was also a penal colony. All of the felons in Britain were sent there. So if there is a genetic link to sociopathy then Australia would be real cesspool!
assuming that genetics rather than poverty was the leading cause of incarceration at the founding. I would presuppose more sociopaths in the americas drawn by adventure than in Australia trapped by poverty.
the Aussie joke goes the criminals that got away went to america.
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OliveOilMom wrote:
Maybe ours are just diagnosed more than those in the UK.
Okay, folks, you got the answer in post #4, two pages ago.
The US has a medical system in which physicians are incentivized to diagnose more and prescribe more. In the UK, large numbers of physicians are employed by the NHS, and have no compensation interest in the number and type of diagnoses they make and the number of prescriptions they write.
You have a pharmaceutical industry that has an incentive to sell more antipsychotics, and the means to influence physicians. The UK has the same pharmaceutical industry, but government has set up regulatory barriers that prevent them from passing on incentives to physicians.
And finally, you have a population of consumers who are ready to be their own doctors--they arrive at the doctor's office convinced that something is wrong with them, and convinced that they know what pill is going to help them. And because family physicians have to bill by the patient, they don't have the luxury of time to work through a meaningful diagnostic process. So sometimes the easiest thing to do is reach for the pad.
I don't believe for a minute that the true incidence rate is any higher in one country or the other.
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I'm guessing that in the UK there are certain groups that are politically incorrect to diagnose with antisocial personality disorder. Everyone knows that chavs, jihadists, immigrant thugs, and rioters are all just misunderstood and any claim to the contrary is racist.
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JakobVirgil wrote:
Surfman wrote:
Gross capitalism vrs Socialist/Tory mix
or conformation bias.
which country has the higher per capita stranger/serial killer numbers
Per history, per Wiki, the UK.
I know you enjoy the study of sociology, so maybe you can shed some additional light on an interesting phenomenon that I noticed the last time this subject came up, and that is from a scan of Wiki, I noticed a huge drop-off in serial killings in the US, in the last decade.
With Further research these are the numbers I found:
http://whitelocust.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/blacks-made-up-majority-of-all-serial-killers-last-decade/
30's-17
40's-21
50's-31
60's-93
70's-295
80's-379
90's-256
00's-82
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
Violent Crime listed below, along with Homicide, and property crime, per link, all peaked in 1991, and has made a steady decline ever since.
1985-556.6
1987-609.7
1989-663.1
1991-758.2
1993-747.1
1995-684.5
1997-611.0
1999-523.0
2001-504.5
2003-475.8
2005-469.0
2007-472.0
2009-429.4
2010-403.6
http://www.census.gov/hhes/computer/
Internet usage went from 18% in 1997 to 68.7 percent of households per US census survey.
Home computer usage went from 15% in 1989 to 61.8% in 2003.
I saw where Wiki suggested from sources cited, that the removal of lead from the environment, is the main factor that may have reduced Violent crime rates, and crime rates in general since the early 90's. Along the lines of lead in the environment makes people less intelligent, and more violent. And in addition stronger enforcement of laws. I question that rationale.
The increase in serial killings in the 70's through 90's is amazing as well as the drop off after 2000.
What I know for sure is that society changed alot from the 70's through 90's as far as the change of reproductive control from men to women.
And that household computer usage became popular with the graphic user interface in the early 90's, as reflected in census reports.
I suggest that the advent of the graphic user interface has been a mass opiate for the population that has increased in availability almost in perfect alignment with decreases in crime in the US, starting in the early 90's.
And furthermore, that serial killing, often identified as psychopaths, with a cold hatred, and anger toward women, increased in alignment, in the 70's through the 90's, with the changes in culture aligned with reproductive control, until the internet became widely available after the year 2000, and alternate vicarious methods of unlimited variety, were available to satisfy the dark potential of the human mind.
I doubt there is any less potential for psychopaths, or serial killers in the world, there is a whole new vicarious world to explore, with opportunities, that don't necessarily entail the real world, and real world results.
Who knows maybe google and it's unlimited supply of all types of every image and video imaginable free to the common vicarious user, with a variety that never ends, is unwittingly participating in saving lives of potential serial killer victims. Ted Bundy, blamed it on pornography, but if he had google.....
I guess the only way to test this serial killer hypothesis, would be to suddenly turn off all the internet access to porn porn/violence, etc. Then we might eventually find twice as many serial killings, as we did before the drop off, after the year 2000.
John_Browning wrote:
I'm guessing that in the UK there are certain groups that are politically incorrect to diagnose with antisocial personality disorder. Everyone knows that chavs, jihadists, immigrant thugs, and rioters are all just misunderstood and any claim to the contrary is racist.
weird that you used the word chav are all the brits around here rubbing off on you?
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John_Browning wrote:
I'm guessing that in the UK there are certain groups that are politically incorrect to diagnose with antisocial personality disorder. Everyone knows that chavs, jihadists, immigrant thugs, and rioters are all just misunderstood and any claim to the contrary is racist.
oh, if only you knew how wrong you are. have you ever looked at statistics on - engagement with mental health services and compulsory treatment - in relation to socio-economic background and ethnic origin in the uk? quite obviously not.
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visagrunt wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
Maybe ours are just diagnosed more than those in the UK.
Okay, folks, you got the answer in post #4, two pages ago.
The US has a medical system in which physicians are incentivized to diagnose more and prescribe more. In the UK, large numbers of physicians are employed by the NHS, and have no compensation interest in the number and type of diagnoses they make and the number of prescriptions they write.
You have a pharmaceutical industry that has an incentive to sell more antipsychotics, and the means to influence physicians. The UK has the same pharmaceutical industry, but government has set up regulatory barriers that prevent them from passing on incentives to physicians.
And finally, you have a population of consumers who are ready to be their own doctors--they arrive at the doctor's office convinced that something is wrong with them, and convinced that they know what pill is going to help them. And because family physicians have to bill by the patient, they don't have the luxury of time to work through a meaningful diagnostic process. So sometimes the easiest thing to do is reach for the pad.
I don't believe for a minute that the true incidence rate is any higher in one country or the other.
I don't believe the true incidence is likely higher than any country or another either, however although there is a great deal more incentive to diagnose in the US, a lack of access to any health care, barring incarceration, might fit a significant portion of the general demographic of the psychopath, in the US. The researchers that did the study in the US, cited by Wiki, took it upon themselves to determine who were likely psychopaths, based on direct assessment, and survey of acquaintenaces.
As I remember the DSMIV reported that anti-social personality disorder was diagnosed at rates of 4 percent male, 1 percent female, but one does not have to meet both requirements of a lack of affective empathy, and a lack of remorse/guilt, to be diagnosed with anti-social personality disorder.
Since one of the core criteria for psychopaths is enough, from the perspective of Hare's characterization of the true psychopath, many identified under the Anti-social personality disorder diagnosis in the US, would not likely be considered to fit his requirement.
obviously, and this has been alluded to by other posters, differences in culture, conceptual framework and diagnostic criteria have to be considered.
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