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15 Jan 2012, 1:33 pm

But in the future people will have access to super computers.



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15 Jan 2012, 1:35 pm

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I wonder what it would be like to travel thousands of years into the future. Would marriage be obsolete? Would everyone practice free love like in the movie Brave New World? Would children be hatched in incubators ? Would we be considered savages compared to their advanced civilization?


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15 Jan 2012, 1:41 pm

True we can use nuclear power to blow ourselves up but any advanced civilization uses nuclear power.



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15 Jan 2012, 4:23 pm

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True we can use nuclear power to blow ourselves up but any advanced civilization uses nuclear power.


Any advanced civilization uses nukes? Not in the past. And we don't know of any others off planet.

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15 Jan 2012, 5:24 pm

I'm talking about the future.



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15 Jan 2012, 6:02 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
I wonder what it would be like to travel thousands of years into the future. Would marriage be obsolete? Would everyone practice free love like in the movie Brave New World? Would children be hatched in incubators ? Would we be considered savages compared to their advanced civilization?


If civilization falls into another dark age, they maybe the savages by our standards.

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15 Jan 2012, 6:20 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
I'm talking about the future.


The future does not exist. Only the present and the past exist.

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15 Jan 2012, 6:57 pm

An observed future is a determined future. A quantum telescope can see into the future and the future is set into concrete as soon as the observation is made.



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15 Jan 2012, 7:30 pm

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An observed future is a determined future. A quantum telescope can see into the future and the future is set into concrete as soon as the observation is made.


An observed future is the present some time from now.

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16 Jan 2012, 1:20 am

ruveyn wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
I'm talking about the future.


The future does not exist. Only the present and the past exist.

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The past existed.

The present is always here, but only while the power bill is paid. So to speak.



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17 Jan 2012, 2:34 pm

cw10 wrote:
This thread got me thinking:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt185801.html

I didn't read the whole thing because I was struck by an interesting thought. What if our solar system had another habitable planet it in. Would we have visited it by now, or planed to?

Do you think the space program would be years ahead by now if that were the case?


We have another habitable planet in our solar system: Mars. It's not habitable in the same sense that Earth is habitable, but it has the resources to support colonization and technological civilization. We haven't gone there though, even though we could have done so since the 1970's, so if there were even another Earth like naturally habitable planet within our own solar system I would bet that we would also just waste our time and never go there either.



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17 Jan 2012, 2:39 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

We have another habitable planet in our solar system: Mars. It's not habitable in the same sense that Earth is habitable, but it has the resources to support colonization and technological civilization. We haven't gone there though, even though we could have done so since the 1970's, so if there were even another Earth like naturally habitable planet within our own solar system I would bet that we would also just waste our time and never go there either.


Let's see. No breathable atmosphere. No magnetic field, Cold. Dry. Cost of colonization beyond our current means. That is really habitable.

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17 Jan 2012, 2:43 pm

cw10 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
I'm talking about the future.


The future does not exist. Only the present and the past exist.

ruveyn


The past existed.

The present is always here, but only while the power bill is paid. So to speak.


Yes, the past existed, the present exists, and the future shall exist.



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17 Jan 2012, 2:44 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
cw10 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
I'm talking about the future.


The future does not exist. Only the present and the past exist.

ruveyn


The past existed.

The present is always here, but only while the power bill is paid. So to speak.


Yes, the past existed, the present exists, and the future shall exist.


-the- future. Which future? There are many possible futures. Human behavior is not deterministic so our choices are not wired into the laws of physics.

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17 Jan 2012, 2:51 pm

ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:

We have another habitable planet in our solar system: Mars. It's not habitable in the same sense that Earth is habitable, but it has the resources to support colonization and technological civilization. We haven't gone there though, even though we could have done so since the 1970's, so if there were even another Earth like naturally habitable planet within our own solar system I would bet that we would also just waste our time and never go there either.


Let's see. No breathable atmosphere. No magnetic field, Cold. Dry. Cost of colonization beyond our current means. That is really habitable.

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In the manner I specified, and that in which Dr. Robert Zubrin and others of the Mars Society have specified in depth, Mars is capable of habitability in that it will allow for a purely technological civilization. Sorry, but nature loving hippies won't be able to live out on the planitia for very long without their EVA gear. Still, you have the gear to live, you put sandbags on your habitat or bury it, and you have protection from radiation. You have an atmosphere from which CO2 can be extracted and permafrost and "geo"thermal wells from which water can be taken along with heat to run Faraday induction generators for power. For cold: insulation and heating. It's not beyond our current means any more than sending humans to the Moon is beyond our current means, and it costs less fuel to go to Mars too since you don't need fuel to decelerate as you do for the Moon. Both the Moon and Mars can be colonized now, but Mars would be easier, especially with agriculture since it has a nearly 24 hour day, most of the radiation is blocked by the atmosphere that Mars has and the Moon doesn't, and only for certain times of the year and at certain latitudes would artificial lighting be necessary on Mars whereas for half of a Lunar "day" it would be required.



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17 Jan 2012, 2:53 pm

ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
cw10 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
I'm talking about the future.


The future does not exist. Only the present and the past exist.

ruveyn


The past existed.

The present is always here, but only while the power bill is paid. So to speak.


Yes, the past existed, the present exists, and the future shall exist.


-the- future. Which future? There are many possible futures. Human behavior is not deterministic so our choices are not wired into the laws of physics.

ruveyn


Fine, a future, then. I'm not arguing about any sort of Calvinism versus Armenianism.