I also don't think the concept would work if it included the 'High desert' areas of Washington and Oregon.. or Alberta.. It would basically have to be only the strip of land between the mountains and the sea. Which is not a bad thing.. just offer huge tax incentives to keep Boeing and Microsoft, Google, Nike, etc.. and you could become a massive economy in a very short amount of time.. not to mention you could then sue the United States for leaving This behind..
Actually in my opinion the high desert regions are crucial and Cascadia cannot exist without them and this is why. For one thing we have huge hydro plants there, and the sun and wind can also be utilized for power. Alberta is too far east and not part of the bioregion so it isn't really relevant, aside from we should try to have good relationships with our neighbours in general.
Another reason is our breadbasket in the Northwest is located in north central Oregon and eastern Washington. From what I've heard, people on the 'dry side' seem open to the idea of Cascadian independence, but the people in our movement tell them a different story. The only thing is, despite the leftist leanings of Cascadianism, if we want the dry side, we can't take away their guns. If we let them keep their guns though, they actually are not as loyal to the USA as you would think despite their conservatism. And not everywhere on the dry side is conservative either.
The only thing I worry about is if we would have to compromise our values, but a lot of us favor the idea of most governance being done locally anyways, so what people wanna do in Bend or Kamloops isn't gonna force people in Newport or Nanaimo to do stuff they don't want, such as ban gay marriage.
Well I wouldn't want to take their guns anyway.. Ideally if I were to be in charge of it.. I'd model the Cascadian Military on Switzerland's.. I'm just concerned about them being able to outvote the cities like Seattle, Vancouver and Portland in elections.. Having been to all those places.. I know those cities are little rocks of liberalism amidst a swirling maelstrom of redneckitude..
I actually think Cascadia should have no military, like Iceland. Our peace should be our defence, other countries would be infuriated if such a peaceful civilization and people were attacked, unless it's the end of the world or something and everyone is trying to survive and in that case well, it doesn't even matter does it.
It might sound crazy not to have any army at all but I see Cascadia as more than just a new country, but a whole new template for a more sustainable and peaceful civilization.
It might sound crazy not to have any army at all but I see Cascadia as more than just a new country, but a whole new template for a more sustainable and peaceful civilization.
And when the pirates plunder the Pacific coastal trade, just what would Cascadians do about it? Cascadia will need a navy and a coast guard at the very least. And when Californians cast an envious eye northward, what will Cascadia do then?
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I actually think Cascadia should have no military, like Iceland. Our peace should be our defence, other countries would be infuriated if such a peaceful civilization and people were attacked, unless it's the end of the world or something and everyone is trying to survive and in that case well, it doesn't even matter does it.
It might sound crazy not to have any army at all but I see Cascadia as more than just a new country, but a whole new template for a more sustainable and peaceful civilization.
Iceland only gets away with that because it is strategically located to control the north atlantic. I think the US has a pretty substantial airbase outside of Reykjavik. Basically it's an anchor in our SOSUS system..
a Hypothetical Cascadian nation would not have that luxury as it would effectively require allowing the US to build bases.. which is counter productive to the whole idea of leaving.. The best thing to do is rely on technology and do what other countries that want to be on the USA's good side do.. buy lots of stuff from them.
It doesn't have to have force projection capabilities, it just has to be enough to scare off people.
As I said, Switzerland is something of a bear trap.. anyone who ever makes the mistake of putting their foot in that is unlikely to get out in one piece..
It might sound crazy not to have any army at all but I see Cascadia as more than just a new country, but a whole new template for a more sustainable and peaceful civilization.
And when the pirates plunder the Pacific coastal trade, just what would Cascadians do about it? Cascadia will need a navy and a coast guard at the very least. And when Californians cast an envious eye northward, what will Cascadia do then?
ruveyn
We will share with anyone who wants to share with us. Including those pesky water hungry Californians.

Most war is a result of snubbed trade.
It might sound crazy not to have any army at all but I see Cascadia as more than just a new country, but a whole new template for a more sustainable and peaceful civilization.
And when the pirates plunder the Pacific coastal trade, just what would Cascadians do about it? Cascadia will need a navy and a coast guard at the very least. And when Californians cast an envious eye northward, what will Cascadia do then?
ruveyn
We will share with anyone who wants to share with us. Including those pesky water hungry Californians.

Most war is a result of snubbed trade.
That can lead to resource shortages.
Resources are finite, a country only has so much to trade.
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Yeah unfortunately any hypothetical nation of Cascadia would have to compensate militarily at least as much as Canada does in order to not allow the Real Politikers in Washington or even Ottawa to walk all over them.
One of the things to do would be to have massive bank secrecy and a low corporate tax rate. this would cause the companies already there, such as Boeing and Microsoft to stay. This is how come tiny little Lichtenstein is so rich and has so many corporate headquarters thus providing lots of white collar jobs, which would in turn create a consumer base for all those cottage industries which the Pacific Northwest has in abundance..
There is a tremendous amount of work that would be need to be done in order to turn it into a prosperous nation, and it would take time, but it could be done. However showing yourself to reside at the mercy of your neighbors is no way to live. If Cascadia couldn't protect what was theirs, then what encouragement do the other nations have to actually pay.
One of the things to do would be to have massive bank secrecy and a low corporate tax rate. this would cause the companies already there, such as Boeing and Microsoft to stay. This is how come tiny little Lichtenstein is so rich and has so many corporate headquarters thus providing lots of white collar jobs, which would in turn create a consumer base for all those cottage industries which the Pacific Northwest has in abundance..
There is a tremendous amount of work that would be need to be done in order to turn it into a prosperous nation, and it would take time, but it could be done. However showing yourself to reside at the mercy of your neighbors is no way to live. If Cascadia couldn't protect what was theirs, then what encouragement do the other nations have to actually pay.
The Cascadians should form a secret allaince with Texans and Quebecois.
Then when they go public with thier secession- Quebec will also publiclly secede from Ottawa, and Texas from Washington- throwing both capitals off balance.
Meanwhile Vigilans' house secedes from Quebec causing minor confusion amongst three or four people
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The Cascadians should form a secret allaince with Texans and Quebecois.
Then when they go public with thier secession- Quebec will also publiclly secede from Ottawa, and Texas from Washington- throwing both capitals off balance.
I think the Cascadian vision of independence is quite different though.