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Should psychopaths be eliminated?
No, they are people too 83%  83%  [ 24 ]
Yes, they are dangerous and worthless 17%  17%  [ 5 ]
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26 Feb 2012, 8:08 pm

MCalavera wrote:
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It might be psychopathy or it might be an unstable upbringing. Many people that does things like this usually has a short fuse, anger management problem. The kid in question is brought up with many siblings in a poor area with little care. Not the best environment. But sure, he might be a danger to other kids.

The murderer in question was 10 years old. He's old enough to know exactly what he's doing. Torturing and killing animals at that age is the sign of a future serial killer, but he's already murdered another human being. 10 year old children don't kill people because of a "bad upbringing". They do it because they're completely psychotic to the core. People like that child have absolutely no place in a civilized society. The article didn't say if the child felt remorse, but I highly doubt he did.


From what I've personally read, a lot (if not all) of the serial killers had bad upbringing. Very bad may I add.


That's not true at all, not sure where you're getting your information from. Dahmer is just one example.


Ted Bundy is an example of one who had really bad upbringing.


This doesn't prove in any way that it contributed to what he was.


I only argued there is a good correlation between bad childhood and serial killers. I also think Jeffrey Dahmer didn't have good parenting. The parents while not have been reported to have directly abused him, the mother had a difficult time bonding with him as a baby and the parents used to constantly fight each other in front of him when he was still a kid.


I just don't agree. There would be an awful lot of serial killers if this were even remotely true. It isn't related.



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26 Feb 2012, 8:11 pm

eigerpere wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
eigerpere wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
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It might be psychopathy or it might be an unstable upbringing. Many people that does things like this usually has a short fuse, anger management problem. The kid in question is brought up with many siblings in a poor area with little care. Not the best environment. But sure, he might be a danger to other kids.

The murderer in question was 10 years old. He's old enough to know exactly what he's doing. Torturing and killing animals at that age is the sign of a future serial killer, but he's already murdered another human being. 10 year old children don't kill people because of a "bad upbringing". They do it because they're completely psychotic to the core. People like that child have absolutely no place in a civilized society. The article didn't say if the child felt remorse, but I highly doubt he did.


From what I've personally read, a lot (if not all) of the serial killers had bad upbringing. Very bad may I add.


That's not true at all, not sure where you're getting your information from. Dahmer is just one example.


Ted Bundy is an example of one who had really bad upbringing.


This doesn't prove in any way that it contributed to what he was.


I only argued there is a good correlation between bad childhood and serial killers. I also think Jeffrey Dahmer didn't have good parenting. The parents while not have been reported to have directly abused him, the mother had a difficult time bonding with him as a baby and the parents used to constantly fight each other in front of him when he was still a kid.


I just don't agree. There would be an awful lot of serial killers if this were even remotely true. It isn't related.


Logical fallacy there.

Just because bad parenting may lead to serial killers doesn't mean it must always lead to serial killers.



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26 Feb 2012, 8:12 pm

Like pretty much all mental disorders and ultimately all human behavior, psychopathy has both a genetic and an environmental component. Nobody is born to be bad; society is always complicit in the making of a psychopath. We only have ourselves to blame.

Think of pit bull terriers. Their genetic predisposition for aggressivity and mindless violence makes them the psychopaths of the canine world. But if pit bulls are raised in a healthy, loving environment, they grow up to be child-friendly lap dogs. Conversely, it is utterly possible to turn a docile and family-friendly breed into a killing machine. It just takes a little more effort. Very little behavior is genetically predetermined.



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26 Feb 2012, 8:16 pm

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Like pretty much all mental disorders and ultimately all human behavior, psychopathy has both a genetic and an environmental component. Nobody is born to be bad; society is always complicit in the making of a psychopath. We only have ourselves to blame.

Think of pit bull terriers. Their genetic predisposition for aggressivity and mindless violence makes them the psychopaths of the canine world. But if pit bulls are raised in a healthy, loving environment, they grow up to be child-friendly lap dogs. Conversely, it is utterly possible to turn a docile and family-friendly breed into a killing machine. It just takes a little more effort. Very little behavior is genetically predetermined.


That sounds like the abuse excuse. I come from that kind of environment in the worst way and know personally that it has nothing to do with it. People are born the way they are and society isn't responsible for making them that way.



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26 Feb 2012, 8:18 pm

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I agree with what you said Cyanide, it isn't due to unstable upbringing. Lots of people are brought up that way and don't have this kind of problem so no connection there.


Some people are more sensitive to certain stimuli, or the lack of.



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26 Feb 2012, 8:21 pm

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I agree with what you said Cyanide, it isn't due to unstable upbringing. Lots of people are brought up that way and don't have this kind of problem so no connection there.


Some people are more sensitive to certain stimuli, or the lack of.


I'm about as sensitive as a person can get and don't agree. Everyone has a right to their own conclusions. I don't have compassion for certain segments of society and don't agree there is an excuse.



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26 Feb 2012, 8:34 pm

eigerpere wrote:
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Like pretty much all mental disorders and ultimately all human behavior, psychopathy has both a genetic and an environmental component. Nobody is born to be bad; society is always complicit in the making of a psychopath. We only have ourselves to blame.

Think of pit bull terriers. Their genetic predisposition for aggressivity and mindless violence makes them the psychopaths of the canine world. But if pit bulls are raised in a healthy, loving environment, they grow up to be child-friendly lap dogs. Conversely, it is utterly possible to turn a docile and family-friendly breed into a killing machine. It just takes a little more effort. Very little behavior is genetically predetermined.


That sounds like the abuse excuse. I come from that kind of environment in the worst way and know personally that it has nothing to do with it. People are born the way they are and society isn't responsible for making them that way.


Psychological studies and findings disagree with your absolute statement.



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26 Feb 2012, 8:44 pm

MCalavera wrote:
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Like pretty much all mental disorders and ultimately all human behavior, psychopathy has both a genetic and an environmental component. Nobody is born to be bad; society is always complicit in the making of a psychopath. We only have ourselves to blame.

Think of pit bull terriers. Their genetic predisposition for aggressivity and mindless violence makes them the psychopaths of the canine world. But if pit bulls are raised in a healthy, loving environment, they grow up to be child-friendly lap dogs. Conversely, it is utterly possible to turn a docile and family-friendly breed into a killing machine. It just takes a little more effort. Very little behavior is genetically predetermined.


That sounds like the abuse excuse. I come from that kind of environment in the worst way and know personally that it has nothing to do with it. People are born the way they are and society isn't responsible for making them that way.


Psychological studies and findings disagree with your absolute statement.


I have to agree with MCalavera. The nature versus nurture debate is long over. Research shows that human genes interact with the environment and are literally switched on and off by environmental factors. While genetic predispositions do exist, the environment is a far better predictor of human behavior and genetic expression.



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26 Feb 2012, 8:45 pm

MCalavera wrote:
eigerpere wrote:
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Like pretty much all mental disorders and ultimately all human behavior, psychopathy has both a genetic and an environmental component. Nobody is born to be bad; society is always complicit in the making of a psychopath. We only have ourselves to blame.

Think of pit bull terriers. Their genetic predisposition for aggressivity and mindless violence makes them the psychopaths of the canine world. But if pit bulls are raised in a healthy, loving environment, they grow up to be child-friendly lap dogs. Conversely, it is utterly possible to turn a docile and family-friendly breed into a killing machine. It just takes a little more effort. Very little behavior is genetically predetermined.


That sounds like the abuse excuse. I come from that kind of environment in the worst way and know personally that it has nothing to do with it. People are born the way they are and society isn't responsible for making them that way.


Psychological studies and findings disagree with your absolute statement.


I honestly don't care. :)



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26 Feb 2012, 8:49 pm

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26 Feb 2012, 8:50 pm

CrazyCatLord wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
eigerpere wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
Like pretty much all mental disorders and ultimately all human behavior, psychopathy has both a genetic and an environmental component. Nobody is born to be bad; society is always complicit in the making of a psychopath. We only have ourselves to blame.

Think of pit bull terriers. Their genetic predisposition for aggressivity and mindless violence makes them the psychopaths of the canine world. But if pit bulls are raised in a healthy, loving environment, they grow up to be child-friendly lap dogs. Conversely, it is utterly possible to turn a docile and family-friendly breed into a killing machine. It just takes a little more effort. Very little behavior is genetically predetermined.


That sounds like the abuse excuse. I come from that kind of environment in the worst way and know personally that it has nothing to do with it. People are born the way they are and society isn't responsible for making them that way.


Psychological studies and findings disagree with your absolute statement.


I have to agree with MCalavera. The nature versus nurture debate is long over. Research shows that human genes interact with the environment and are literally switched on and off by environmental factors. While genetic predispositions do exist, the environment is a far better predictor of human behavior and genetic expression.


Environment obviously has an effect on everyone but don't believe it makes people what they are when it comes to violent crimes. We just have to disagree and move on.



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26 Feb 2012, 8:56 pm

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Environment obviously has an effect on everyone but don't believe it makes people what they are when it comes to violent crimes. We just have to disagree and move on.


Then how do you explain the higher incidence of violent crime in countries with higher levels of poverty? Are impoverished ethnic minorities genetically programmed to be criminals?



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26 Feb 2012, 9:02 pm

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Environment obviously has an effect on everyone but don't believe it makes people what they are when it comes to violent crimes. We just have to disagree and move on.


Then how do you explain the higher incidence of violent crime in countries with higher levels of poverty? Are impoverished ethnic minorities genetically programmed to be criminals?


Where are your statistic? Why don't you post it here so I can have a look.



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26 Feb 2012, 9:04 pm

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My best friend is a pychopath, I quite like him, thanks.

Why would you want to be freinds with a person who can not feel empathy?


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26 Feb 2012, 9:05 pm

eigerpere wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
eigerpere wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
Like pretty much all mental disorders and ultimately all human behavior, psychopathy has both a genetic and an environmental component. Nobody is born to be bad; society is always complicit in the making of a psychopath. We only have ourselves to blame.

Think of pit bull terriers. Their genetic predisposition for aggressivity and mindless violence makes them the psychopaths of the canine world. But if pit bulls are raised in a healthy, loving environment, they grow up to be child-friendly lap dogs. Conversely, it is utterly possible to turn a docile and family-friendly breed into a killing machine. It just takes a little more effort. Very little behavior is genetically predetermined.


That sounds like the abuse excuse. I come from that kind of environment in the worst way and know personally that it has nothing to do with it. People are born the way they are and society isn't responsible for making them that way.


Psychological studies and findings disagree with your absolute statement.


I honestly don't care. :)


You should've said that from the very beginning.



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26 Feb 2012, 9:12 pm

eigerpere wrote:
That sounds like the abuse excuse. I come from that kind of environment in the worst way and know personally that it has nothing to do with it. People are born the way they are and society isn't responsible for making them that way.


Hooray! For whatever reasons, you've managed to rise above the neglect and/or brutality of your upbringing. Awesome. Guess what? That doesn't happen for everyone, and pitilessly writing them off just because you happen to be a success story is both heartless and willfully cruel.