atheist to christian

Post Reply New Topic

Actually my primary reason to subscribing towards a kind of Deism is that I find the subjective phenomenon of consciousness quite 'paranormal' in the sense it is difficult to explain how it could simply emerge from the inanimate.

I could never quite get that either. Although I thought that while the whole row started over an apple, as in any dispute, there was a lot more to forgive by the end of it.

God sacrificed the human part of himself in order to no longer hold a grudge against humans in general.

If I did believe he existed I would have to conclude he disconnected from our world at that point and went off to do something else. I also thoroughly annoyed my teachers in primary school by asking why Judas was held as being bad when he had done God's will and made the ultimate sacrifice himself in order for God to accomplish the sacrifice of Jesus.
I thought that either he was a traitor and the killing of Jesus was wrong or he was following God's will and the killing of Jesus was God's will. Can't have it both ways in my opinion.

What I actually think is that his followers were so devastated by the tragic turn of events that they became convinced that a "plan B" for the greater good had been put into action and called it the greatest sacrifice which was made for us, the details don't fit because they were grasping at straws.
But before that conclusion was reached they first condemned Judas as a traitor for causing the death of their leader.
I find one of their conclusions more reasonable than the other.

If it hadn't then been adopted by some pretty ruthless world conquering psychopaths as a way of controlling the population, would it have survived until today?

In the same way, one more recent cult in the US believed they were to be taken to god in a spaceship while the rest of the world perished, on a certain date. Cult members quit their jobs, gave away possessions and waited for the spaceship. When it didn't come they didn't conclude they had been mistaken, they were more convinced than ever and said the strength of their belief had caused the creator to change his mind and saved the world. Therefore they felt a huge sense of achievement instead of the obvious alternative feeling.

Just one of many such "end of the world" occurances.

Is it so different? The followers of Jesus believed the end of the world was imminent both then and now.

I don’t believe its imminent i don’t know when it will be but the idea i don’t understand something therefore it can't exist is interesting one I spouse I now have to accept the fact my computer dose not exist as well

Maybe that is why I continue to wonder about it.

Once you decide for certain one way or the other, you tend to become a closed minded bigot.

Who said we are an accident?

We are the product of natural law. We are no more of an accident than a lightning bolt.

As I have gotten older I have kept my religion to myself more and more but I see nothing wrong with being a atheist if we all belived the same thing that would contradict isaac newton's third law.

Personally I find the Ancient Astronaut theory to be a fascinating one. For me as an atheist and an avid believer in science, this has made much more sense to me than anything else with regards to human history and religion. The History Channel does a fascinating documentary series on this topic, the videos to which can be found on YouTube.

Ancient Astronaut Wiki

From what I've read in the Bible, it would appear, at face value anyway, that Jesus should have returned long before now. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/end.html So I think that "Dizzy Water" is right. This view, that biblical prophecy has already been fulfilled, is called preterism.

I love the AA theory but unfortunately the majority of atheists are such cynics that they will reject the possibility of that as well. BTW ... ancient aliens rocks!

Yeah, I've seen them. There's been an argument about this on another thread, actually, and rather than start it up again here I'd suggest you check this out and continue reading the thread from there. Occam's Razor is extremely sharp in this case.

LOL
More like "There is no evidence whatsoever, Ancient Aliens is a ret*d show, and Ancient Astronauts 'theory' is extremely poor man's archaeology"

@donnie_darko & Lord_Gareth: The show is brilliant. A theory that can try and explain how things really happened way back when by eliminating the ridiculous popular archaeological views that proffer impossible solutions and replace them with a scientific edge, which looks at the bible as a collection of accounts rather than elaborate fiction from 'god', has been a game changer for me.
I cannot fathom how people cannot accept this concept as a valid theory, when religion with all it's massive contradictions and glaring bigotries is so widely accepted. It's good to know there are other people here who keep a scientifically open mind.

Ancient astronauts "theory" (if it can even be called that...) is garbage and is itself completely contradictory and is a product of racism

the issue for me is not so much that i dont see it as a possibiity, only very very improbable.

remember that history channel needs to sell television too.

Basically.

These AA people piss me off. They decide that aliens did it, and then work from there. That is not how a scientific investigation works.