Aspies are spiritual or atheist while NT are religious?

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Here is an example maybe?

From Free Inquiry Mag. latest issue.
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Now I can not say anything about Tom Flynn being Aspie or sharing some of our criteria
but he loves to see himself as a structured person that is rational and logical.
He dislike group emotionalism and so on. "disdain" it even.

I have felt like that too since a small kid and many other Aspies are more like that too.

Tom Flynn is not only feeling disdain for religious group emotionalism
he is against words like Spiritual too. Too much of other worldy or woo for him.

As I get it reading him.

Well Orthodox Christianity has plenty of room for solitary spirituality, we got monasteries, hermits, all that stuff even in present day. Pope Shenhuda, Patriarch of Egypt who just died a month or so ago, he was actually a hermit for like 15 years and then was elected the Patriarch. That said, my priest recommends against hermitage to run away from the world, it's a touchy subject and all but some people are called to that. I guess in someone like Pope Shenhuda's case, you'd probably be a bit of an Aspie to be a hermit for 15 years, never marry in your whole life, etc. That said, you can't make absolute statements regarding someone's mental state, as you're not them, you're not trained to, etc. Who knows.

I believe the Orthodox Church is the true church of Christ. However, at the same time, I have to conclude that there's "grace" in some other churches, and God dispenses his grace according to his goodwill. Officially, the term used for non-Orthodox but Christian churches is "heterodox" or "other believing." Now with what I know of Aspergers and other mental differences in people, I guess things make sense. As much as sometimes I'd like to point out the error in a lot of Pentecostal/Charismatic churches, and go spend like 800 hours arguing with them, they are preaching the Gospel to the best of their ability, they do believe in Jesus Christ as Savior, they're just...different. So, I just pray God's will is done, and his Kingdom comes.

However, the danger in not being Orthodox imo is that, you don't get the "filter" of what the church has always believed. Some of these groups have departed into the oldest of heresies just because they "moved with the Spirit" and whatnot, so there is a real danger from a Christian perspective in that regard, I think. Some groups that come to mind are Oneness Pentecostals (Arianism) and Mormons (Gnosticism.) Also, some of the "signs" like wriggling around on the floor and whatnot at revival meetings aren't necessarily good signs. Some of these signs, if you go back and read lives of the saints and stuff are associated with demon possession. http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/slain.htm This is a good page about that sort of thing (the guy writing is a Protestant, though.)

I can kinda ramble about this sorta thing forever. So I'm gonna kinda stop now. It's hard for me now, though, as many of my "friends" from my old church sorta think I went off the deep end with my Orthodox conversion. They're like "how can you be in that ritualistic and "dead" (I put this in quotes) church?" It's just such a conflict for them. I guess I appreciate this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi3Ix_8g0no[/youtube]

over stuff like this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DuXD6DSTms[/youtube]

Oh well, more rambling I can do, but I'll stop. God bless.

Humans are primates descendants of the Bonobo and Chimpanzee in other words Apes. That is why we have poseable thumbs. It all happened throughout evolution. Some of the earliest life forms were of course microbes which were created from mixtures of certain chemicals creating DNA. The creation of DNA was due to a specific chemical reaction and overtime microbes changed and mutated and so forth. When something was created it was made by other matter nothing was made out of nothing out of thin air. If that was true we might as well believe in genies.

The Aspies are Bonobos. The NTs are Chimpanzees.

ruveyn

We do not descend from chimpanzees. We share a common ancestor

True. We inherited all the bad habits the chimps inherited plus we are smart enough to talk and bamboozle ourselves.

ruveyn

Thanks 1000Knives, we have a few converts to Orthodoxy in Sweden too.
They interviews on on Svt.se

Swedes are very much Protestant and Lutheran.
So I am a Protestant atheist seen from that perspective.

I can fully under stand your point of view 1000knives. It is ironic: aspies may find the noise and activity just too much, and the Fundamentals may find our independance too much. However, a lot of aspies have qualities which they very much need, and that is often not appreciated. I am thinking of Intense World Syndrome, if you believe it. That kind of sensitivity can make it possible to pick up on vibes. But I'd be interested to know what others experience as far as that is concerned. I may be wrong.

Not all of us are atheist or have "odd" beliefs, but i can see why i a lot of us would.

I'm Aspie and I'm a christian. My religious views happen to be very important to me. Plz don't put me into a stereotypical box, that's very uncomfortable for me.

I was the latter and now I feel more like the former.

I was spiritual because I was too much of an imaginative magical thinker. I was capable of being rational but my irrational thoughts were so loud they pretty much dominated my personality.


My spirituality brought me nothing but disappointment. I despaired and the only way to feel better was to abandon it. That change of attitude happened over the course of the fall of 2012 so for pretty much my entire life I was spiritual in my own individual way. My attitude has just recently changed because my spirituality was actually damaging me emotionally.

What are you talking about? That was good advice. It's natural to feel bad for yourself, but you have to rise above it or you are destined to live life as a loser. Life is a puzzle and a game. Solve it. Win it.

I'm certainly religious. (I certainly have faults though.) I think life would be certainly pointless if not so.

MadMonkey - this thread had been sleeping peacefully for almost a year before being raised from the dead a few posts back, and Reindeer last visited WP on Sep 17, 2012.
He's unlikely to answer.

Moderators are God so I will not argue against.

But being noticed by email I suddenly got aware of
that oops somebody wrote something.

Since I started that thread I have gone through a huge crisis
where I had to abandon atheism all together.

I no longer trust that it is good for me to be atheist.
But I can't believe in supernatural gods at all
so I tried to defend that gods are natural and
the atheists ridiculed me so heavily that I gave up on them.

They tells me that is a childish way to react.
I'm rather childish than atheist.

So I am not a theist and not an atheist
and not agnostic I believe gods are ("have existence")
in the emotional and intuitive heart of the believer

The problem is that atheists are incredibly strict on
that one have to do philosophical logical reasoning.

Emotional gods are not gods to them. They see emotional gods
as imaginary friends for grown ups

I come to think of the Borg. we are the atheists
resistance is futile you will become an atheist
due to our logical definition. Be logical now!

So I don't know what I am. I have no self identity now
and that makes my life a misery. I am very dependent
on knowing who I am. A kind of OCD thing where I
am constantly obsessed trying to find out who I am.

The most likely solution is to accept that I am a nobody
and that it is totally okay to be an absolute nobody.

The Church of Nobody Special sounds like a good place for me.

So if you feel for it, then give friendly feedback on that name.

The Church of Nobody Special

Does it sound okay or totally wacko? silly ridiculous or plain weird?

Or very true for to be about me personally?

One thing one will never be forgiven is refusing to adapt to the modern times.