Another Obama Attack on the Second Amendment!

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05 Apr 2012, 6:25 pm

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05 Apr 2012, 6:56 pm

Perfect target!

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05 Apr 2012, 6:58 pm

Americans must really be paranoid if they think they all need to have automatic weapons "in case another nation attacks" :roll:

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05 Apr 2012, 7:13 pm

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Americans must really be paranoid if they think they all need to have automatic weapons "in case another nation attacks" :roll:

I some what agree with that the news stations in america keep americans in a constant state of parnoia "cough" fox news.

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05 Apr 2012, 7:36 pm

AstroGeek wrote:

Cars constitute a massive amount of our CO2 emissions.

No, they don't, and they're a drop in the bucket compared to the CO2 emissions from electricity generation, heating, heavy transportation, and industry.

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Putting in place requirements on fuel efficiency could go some way to mitigate that.

Please elaborate how doing that will make fuel efficient technologies more affordable for the average person who lives from paycheck to paycheck and can't afford a new vehicle.

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Don't get me started on other things like aircraft, trucks, and buses. My stances on them would not be well liked by any of the freedom-loving Americans on here.

Uh huh...

AstroGeek wrote:

Let's just say I'd envision high speed rail in certain areas,

Powered by electricity generated by what source? You also realize that Maglevs aren't optimal for short distance or low speed travel, right?

AstroGeek wrote:

and regulation of what modes of transit could be used where.

There are already existing practical and economic incentives for not using a big honkin' SUV as your mode of personal transportation in metropolitan areas.

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I never said I'd be a popular person if I was in power. Or even one who does a particularly good job.

At least you're humble enough to admit that.

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Also, buses do emit less CO2 per passenger mile than cars, so I'm actually fine with them (for the time being).

Perhaps, but they emit something most passenger vehicles don't: Diesel Particulate Matter

Also, the negative health effects from exposure to high concentrations of DPM are well-documented.

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05 Apr 2012, 8:07 pm

Asp-Z wrote:

Americans must really be paranoid if they think they all need to have automatic weapons "in case another nation attacks" :roll:

I think most Americans are content with extremely limited automatic weapon ownership. Even the Swiss, who have an actual citizen army, don't let citizens have fully automatic weapons. The modify your weapon when you return to civilian life.

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05 Apr 2012, 8:08 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/ny-judge-gives-ex ... 39389.html

25 years, in an American prison, and he wasn't even selling weapons in America. If American laws apply at all in this case, then the Second Amendment should have absolved him.

This is a sad day for gun lovers not only in America, but throughout the world.

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05 Apr 2012, 8:42 pm

Asp-Z wrote:

Americans must really be paranoid if they think they all need to have automatic weapons "in case another nation attacks" :roll:

Fun facts:

Fully automatic or "Class 3" firearms are priced well out of the range of the average person.

The Firearm Owners Protection Act bans the private sale, transfer, or ownership of fully automatic firearms manufactured and registered on or after May 19, 1986.

In order to own a fully automatic firearm, you must undergo an exhaustive background check which typically requires the discretionary signature of your local head of law enforcement in addition to submitting your photograph, fingerprints and a one-time $200 "transfer fee" to the BATF.

Once you've passed the background check and jumped through the "hurdles," you cannot bring your Class 3 firearm across state lines without first notifying the BATF of your intentions and then obtaining their express written permission to do so.

Suffice to say, spending what amounts to the down payment on a house for a fully automatic firearm doesn't really appeal to me.

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05 Apr 2012, 8:45 pm

How Un-American can you get?

And, 1986, when Ronald Reagan was president. He was much too liberal.

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05 Apr 2012, 9:05 pm

There is a class 3 firearms dealer in Texas I believe, who actually has a functioning minigun mounted on the back of his truck.

And yes, miniguns are legal... a few of them anyway.

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05 Apr 2012, 9:18 pm

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There is a class 3 firearms dealer in Texas I believe, who actually has a functioning minigun mounted on the back of his truck.

And yes, miniguns are legal... a few of them anyway.

I think the going rate is north of $450K for one. Not exactly practical for your average criminal endeavor, but pretty neat if you can afford the gun and it's 6000 RPM rate of fire.

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05 Apr 2012, 9:26 pm

Dox47 wrote:

I think the going rate is north of $450K for one. Not exactly practical for your average criminal endeavor, but pretty neat if you can afford the gun and it's 6000 RPM rate of fire.

Like I said before, the money that's typically spent on Class 3 firearms is typically enough to buy a house, or a pretty sizable one in a nice neighborhood in the minigun's case. :lol:

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05 Apr 2012, 9:50 pm

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visagrunt wrote:

Second, I'm not sure that surface to air missiles fall within the ambit of the Second Amendment.

The second amendment reads

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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

Arresting someone for selling surface-to-air missiles would constitute an infringement.

Missiles aren't arms. They are ordnance.

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05 Apr 2012, 10:10 pm

People will attack Obama for anything welcome to america conservaties and fundies are very entertaining.

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05 Apr 2012, 10:12 pm

Dox47 wrote:

abacacus wrote:

There is a class 3 firearms dealer in Texas I believe, who actually has a functioning minigun mounted on the back of his truck.

And yes, miniguns are legal... a few of them anyway.

I think the going rate is north of $450K for one. Not exactly practical for your average criminal endeavor, but pretty neat if you can afford the gun and it's 6000 RPM rate of fire.

Yup. Miniguns are expensive as hell. The last one I know of that was sold, sold for over $600'000.

And, if I recall correctly, firing a minigun for thirty seconds costs upwards of 5 grand.

Nice show piece, and I suppose if you ever need to take down an armoured vehicle it'd be nice to have :lol:

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