Teachers should be held accountable for student performance

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I can agree with that high school is the most important but other grades are just as important. Almost half of the peopel that graduated from high school for get the things they learned in the 5th grade.

Right, but that's why I said "K-12."

Oh my bad.

I did fine academically in public school, even went to college for a while......and I am having major difficulties getting a job. hmm I guess those teachers should have somehow forced my mind not to wander.

No they did their job of course just cause some one has a education doesn't mean a job will just come easy to them but it makes ur chances of getting a job better when you have a education.

Well I did fine in public school, but you call that an education?

School in general is a education as long as you used what they taught you in your life then yes it was a education.

What I learned is people can really suck...and teachers can be bullies to, nothing of real value.....most anything of value I learned was through my own searches for knowledge on my free time. Wasted years is all it was as far as school was concerned. I guess I've learned some things of value from college, but I don't have a degree so in the 'real' world any knowledge I might have still isn't worth a damn.

I think my main problem with school is I was bored, and excluded.

any single fact or lesson will always take a second place to the want to learn,

simply saying it has to be so wont make it so and to make people want to do something they have to have a reason, brutal authority is anything but.

I had teachers bullie me most of them didn't loose their job but was moved to a diffrent school. School in general can be boring for a aspie if they feel to get our attention it can become difficult for them to teach us. Most teachers are not trained to handle children with autism an is a big problem in the eductaion system that is why that place us in so called special ed classes.

They never did catch on to me so I was never really sent to any special-ed, even so I still got called a 'special ed kid' a few times as well as ret*d by the other lovely schoolchildren. But yeah I would agree teachers aren't typically trained to excel at all teaching styles though many do make an effort, there are some that don't really even bother.

I know it is truly sad and I fear our country is headed to a not so pleasant future if the youth of our country do not prosper. Schoolchildren bullied me to but I took it with a grain of salt never let it bother me while that isn't so easy to do for other students.

Two of my most important spceical interests are Law and Order and athority the school systems need to go through some form of reform so the youth of America will help America prosper as a nation.

Uh...

Ok, first of all, if you force someone to do something they absolutely do not want to do you get problems. Big problems. And you won’t get them to do whatever it is you are trying to force them to do right anyway. If you want someone to do something, your only real course of action is to get them to want to do it. Sometimes that involves incentives, sometimes that requires education, sometimes that involves manipulation...there are different routes. But the direct use of force doesn't ever work well.

If my parents had sent me to a military boarding school...oh man, I would have acted out so horribly I would likely be in prison today, after having lived a life of crime. Either that or still on the street... which would be even worse.


Secondly, an education is a personal thing. I am exactly as educated as I have decided to be. Outside influences are most important early on in life, but after a while you are more and more autonomous. People are responsible for their actions, and how they approach educating themselves is one of those responsibilities. As a society all we can do really is to ensure that if someone wants to educate themselves, they have the tools necessary to do so. Beyond that, it is on them to get educated.


And finally, simple skills are simple.... No one taught me how to write a check. I figured that out pretty quickly on my own. And I've never done my own taxes, I just like that H&R will represent me and assist if I get audited, so I go to them for that service. To my point, anyone can figure out simple life skills. Sometimes there are growing pains when doing so. My first car purchase for example, not the best deal I could have made. But I certainly learned all about the intricacies of interest rates and not so reputable dealers, and the sneaky little "service fee" that got thrown in when I wasn't looking...ugh, lol.

The point is, life is going to teach you what you need to know by living it. It might be a hard teacher, but it will teach you all you need to know. And if you are not listening, that's no one’s fault but your own, ultimately.

As a whole, a society, a people...we should encourage everyone to become more educated, we should value well learned people’s opinions, and put emphasis on knowledge and understanding. And as individuals, the rest is on us.

there are massive problems with the OPs statement. holding teachers accountable for a students performance is ridiculous way to judge a teacher and ignores a whole bunch of factors that contribute to poor/good performance and these factors cut across class and race lines. this is actually a personal issue for me because im studying to be a teacher and the state i live in(NSW, australia) is currently proposing changes to the teaching system where teachers will be judged on student performance and the union is doing bugger all about it.
this cuts across class/race lines because it is mostly working class, people of lower socioeconomic status and ethnic people who go to public schools and the resources available to them and to teachers there are much different to those in private schools. this group might not have parents who can afford extra tuition through private tutors for one thing, public schools also are not usually selective as private schools are so get students of varying abilities and people who might be ESL, there are not enough teachers to go around as it is so teachers cannot get to every student to help them with their issues. public schools also might not be able to run certain programmes because of underfunding, which would benifit student learning. things like special ed or disability access(not just wheelchairs, like sign language interpreters).
seeing as teachers are so often overstreached, over worked, under paid, undervalued and have to spend holidays marking and after school hours seeing students for extra tuition i think they're doing a brilliant job.
also marking teachers on performance would lead to what many of my teachers complained about in highschool- teaching, not for learning, but to pass tests. we spent classes just writting essays. some of our teachers tried to make learning engaging but a month before tests we just essay wrote and memorised them for the exam. this did not encourage a thirst for learning. if you want kids to love learning and do it of their own free will they have to like it. there isnt any use forcing them(military school is a bad idea. i dont need armed forces diciplining my kids and making them conform and choke down information and despising every minute of it. thats one way to create social problems) thats what teaching is all about- teaching kids about things that interest them, fostering a love of learning(well, actually, under capitalism its about conforming to the system & becoming something that is benificial to it but...) the current system doesnt allow for that. its a wonder teachers get anything done under this system, testing them on performance would only make their job harder.

What utter stupidity, Joker.

Teachers are piece workers--Stalin tried creating an incentive system based on piece work and it was an utter failure. Why? Because workers and managers consistently gamed the system.

If you hold teachers accountable for results, teachers will game the system through grade inflation. If you hold teachers accountable through standardized testing, then teachers will, "teach the test," giving their students the skills to get through the test, but not the fundamental knowledge and skills required to succeed beyond that. If you hold teachers accountable through relative performance, then you are starting from the presumption that there will always be a student in last place, regardless of how well that student performs.

Teachers are professionals. We don't pay physicians based on whether or not the patient survives. We don't pay clergy based on the number of sins committed by an individual cleric's followers. Outside of litigation we don't pay lawyers based on performance--and when we do pay them based on performance, we have to vastly overpay them, to absorb the risk that the lawyer bears of not being paid.

In North America, teachers are their own worst enemy in many ways. After the war, many soldiers returned home, and went to University. They then entered the teaching profession in vast numbers, which created the salaried-union-member nature of teaching as we know it in public schools today. But just because the fixed salary and seniority based working conditions are an impediment to teaching, that is no reason to substitute an idea which will be profoundly worse.

Classroom discipline is a challenge, but it is a challenge created by thick-witted conservatives who are content to starve government of the resources necessary to provide programs that are beneficial to the public as a whole (such as a well educated work force), and continue to insist that teachers, schools and school districts, "do more with less." If we started paying teachers what their work deserved, and if we started providing schools with the resources necessary to teach the number of students they are expected to teach, you would find many of these issues dropping away.

But knuckle draggers prefer overcrowded classrooms and an extra $50 in their paycheque every two weeks, so improvement is always impeded.