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That implies that *gasp* people have morals before they read the Bible, since they have the ability to sort between "bad" and "good" things within the Bible and choose which to attach their ideology to

All though you meant nothing by it I took at as disrespect when you called religion fairytales.

What I mean is evoultion and the big bang in my opinon are two very diffrent things that is what I mean logically evolution makes more since but the big bang never has.

Yes yes they do people no right from wrong with out religion the religious think they can commit wrong because they can ask God to foregive them though that to me is a cop out if you know your thinking about doing something wrong and act on it thats is morally evil period.

Let's see the results of Atheism.My country China has never been religious.The same problems that exist in the Chinese history,former Soviet Union as well as modern West could have something to do with Atheism.For example,cheating is a result of Atheism.

Of course. Some Catholic countries have higher levels of morality than Protestent ones.

Not entirely true in China many are Confucianists which is a religion.

Sigh... Chistianity- Crusaders

Taoism, Confucianism, Buddhism and various traditional beliefs have never had an influence on Chinese society? Are we speaking about the same China
Are you sure the problems don't have anything to do with, you know... Communism?
If cheating is because of atheism, why are the highest divorce rates in America in the most devoutly religious states? Why does Utah have the highest proportion of paid porn subscribers?

I post on an interesting website called OpenKaraite.
Warning:
1.The admin is a skeptic,although he is against Atheism and liberalism.
2.Some articles there might be unfriendly to women since the admin is highly against feminism.
http://www.openkaraite.org/

Catholics caused the crusades not Protestants.

Which are two seperate umberalla terms in Christanity.

Becasue of the crusades the Catholics ended up going to war with Protestants because the Protestants aka non Catholics refused to follow the Vatican and the Popes so called religious authority.

Confucianism is not a religion,there is a huge difference between Confucianism and religion.That's why immorality in nobles of the ancient Chinese society was very severe.Confucianism regulate people with interpersonal relationships.When one has power then he/she could not be regulated.Also there is a severe problem in Confucianism as well as all other kinds of "Moral systems without religion",namely what a person does could be easily hidden from others and they think that they could go unpunished.That's why you could pretend to be moral while do immoral things behind people.

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wtf are you talking about Joker...

Joker you seem to really hate Catholics. You go on about them a lot and seem to blame them for everything. I've only read your posts in about 4 or 5 different threads since I joined, but I've seen you blaming Catholics and slagging off Catholics several times.

Yet you were the one to say you hate it when one group singles out another?

Catholics and Proestants are the memmbers of the same religion I hated the Catholics of the past not the present Catholics btw I am in a mixed religious family of Catholics and Proestants never said I hated them that is you making a generalzation of me.

OK maybe "hate" was too strong a word, I take that back. You do come across as if you really have a problem with them in general though

Catholicism didn't cause the Crusades and the witchhunt,the Evilocracy caused it.

Let's talk about pretension.Unrestricteds usually could pretend to be Restricteds and infiltrate them while Restricteds are less likely to infiltrate Unrestricteds because they have some restrictions and they might dislike pretension.That's why they are less likely to pretend and Restricteds usually have less choices than Unrestricteds.

Unless God our LORD intervenes,the Unrestricteds usually defeat the Restricteds because God our LORD knows what a person is thinking and doing while ordinary people(everyone except Our Saviour Jesus Christ) don't know that.This lack of information makes pretension and hypocritical possible.

Then we could explain the witchhunt,Crusades and other things Atheist apologists blame on Christianity.All of these things never happen when the church is illegal and persecuted.At that time most people in the Church are actually followers of Our Saviour Jesus Christ .They are the sheep,not the goats and wolves who pretend to be sheep because you could get nothing if you do so.Only after Christians become the majority many wolves began to infiltrate the church.Since most real sheep(everyone except Our Saviour Jesus Christ ) usually couldn't identify who is a real sheep and who is a pseudo-sheep,wolves infiltrate the church and even become church leaders because unless God our LORD intervenes,pseudo-sheep usually have more chances to become church leaders than real sheep.Then Crusades,witchhunt and other evil things happen.Even some church leaders were found out to be pseudo-sheep.

Just take the pornography problem as an example.Now pornography is epidemic,even the church is not immune from this disease.Priests who are the sheep usually resign if they couldn't resist pornography while those who are pseudo-sheep don't resign if they couldn't resist or just don't resist pornography.God our LORD knows.The church don't know.Then the result is that the wolves take over the positions which were held by the sheep.

Unless God our LORD intervenes,even the church is not immune from Evilocracy.Then what about the politicians,traders and scholars?Evilocracy is pandemic because of the evil human nature.