Great Britain Cooncil elections: who will you choose?

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04 May 2012, 5:41 pm

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I happen to think he's more right than wrong, actually. But then I would.

Come now. There is a big difference between advocating multiculturalism which, according to the worst fears of some people, might unintentionally make the UK an Islamic state and actively trying to create an Islamic theocracy. As for destroying the economy, you can stick that entirely on Labour, since their policies are now almost identical to those of the Tories. So calling them "loonie lefties" is hardly accurate. A more fitting term would be "rabid righties."

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04 May 2012, 5:43 pm

I'm sure some people - i.e. on the far-left - would like as much unintegrated Islamic immigration into the UK and the West as possible, in order for support in their attempts to destroy British and Western society.

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A more fitting term would be "rabid righties."

Neither are accurate.

And we don't have multiculturalism here in a lot of places: what we have is segregation, a lack of integration and a lot of general hostility as a result.

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04 May 2012, 6:05 pm

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I'm guessing that you're referring to people like Respect Party? First of all, they are hardly friends of Labour. Second, I doubt that they see it as destroying Western society. You might see that as the consequence, but I doubt that that is their intention.

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A more fitting term would be "rabid righties."

Neither are accurate.

And we don't have multiculturalism here in a lot of places: what we have is segregation, a lack of integration and a lot of general hostility as a result.

Well, the left-right dichotomy is inherently simplistic and inaccurate. But Labour is essentially neo-liberal (yes, they might maintain a few vestiges of the welfare state and regulation, but it's not like they advocate renationalizing the railways or restoring the power of trade unions) and are pretty socially conservative when it comes to thinks like ID cards and replacing Trident. If they were to run in Canada on that platform (well, minus Trident, since we don't have nuclear weapons here) they'd be considered at least somewhat conservative. At best they'd be "silly centrists."

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04 May 2012, 6:11 pm

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Huh? ID cards are not social conservative - they are authoritarian. Most social conservatives here have no truck with ID cards. In fact, Churchill's 1953 Tory government ran on a campaign of abolishing them.

The main three parties are largely difficult to tell apart from one another, I find. That's why many people have abandoned them/don't vote.

AstroGeek: I'm thinking about parts of the Labour left that are friendly to Islamic extremism. The Respect loons are small and know exactly where to target - though it's interesting that Galloway has never managed to retain his seat under that banner. Apparently he's a pretty dreadful constituency MP.

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04 May 2012, 6:19 pm

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Let's not get into the pedantics of how to classify ID cards. I agree that they could be considered authoritarian and let's leave it at that.

I disapprove of any party specifically trying to capture niche votes. They should write their policies based on what they feel is the right thing to do, not on what can win them a seat in a specific riding with a specific racial group. (Interestingly in Canada it is the Conservatives that used this strategy, not the left). All that said, I still don't think that Respect (for whom I do not have much, even though I am a leftist) or the Conservative Party of Canada consciously intends to create a de facto Islamic theocracy. The closest thing that I can think of in politics is the BNP's explicit desire to create a white, straight, Christian society.

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05 May 2012, 5:09 am

I voted for the SNP. I think that the other major parties are far too London-centric in their outlook.

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08 May 2012, 8:28 am

Tequila wrote:

The main three parties are largely difficult to tell apart from one another, I find. That's why many people have abandoned them/don't vote.

Not at all.

You should have some respect for the Liberal Democrat members, when their party lies through it's teeth they stop supporting it. :lol:

Most libs I know didn't vote as a green candidate wasn't available or are stilling clinging to a hope against hope that as soon as the economy is fixed the Libs will get a turn to be nice to their base and spend some money to buy the forgiveness of the electorate. Oh look, back in recession, that plan isn't working very well...

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08 May 2012, 9:30 am

The people who vote/support the Liberal Democrats should take heed of one simple truth - whenever they get an opportunity to go into coalition (with either Labour or the Tories), they will. And every time they do so, they get by far the worst end of the deal. They never learn, alas.

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08 May 2012, 5:36 pm

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The bane of a two party system.

I would much prefer a proper PR system with direct democracy checks and balances so that you can actually vote FOR a party for positive reasons instead of voting against the evil tories or the red menace all the time.

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12 May 2012, 12:51 pm

have I been living under a rock.... There was an election????

did York have anything to do with it.... (although, technically I can answer that question, I would have known about it if York had been involved)

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12 May 2012, 11:32 pm

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Don't worry, I live in the UK and the only mayoral election I've heard about is the London one.

That's because, in UK terms, Landahn is the centre of the universe.

Sorta like what the Canadian media regards Ontario as.

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13 May 2012, 7:53 am

Master_Pedant wrote:

Tequila wrote:

Mummy_of_Peanut wrote:

Don't worry, I live in the UK and the only mayoral election I've heard about is the London one.

That's because, in UK terms, Landahn is the centre of the universe.

Sorta like what the Canadian media regards Ontario as.

mmm...yes and no. Its more a part of the north south divide in the UK, the media is just one aspect of it.
Anyway the media, the BBC more so have been moving out of London of late. Eg. MediaCityUk in Salford.
That's another thing that gets my goat, the UK media thinks that the sun shines out of the arse of the North West of England suburb of London, Manchester. :roll:

Tequila there's an spoof Merseyrail map that will refute London's title! :wink:

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13 May 2012, 9:58 am

The only bit of Manchester that's like London is Chorlton, which is like Camden Town. I happen to like London anyway, so thanks for the compliment, nevertheless.

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13 May 2012, 11:26 am

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The only bit of Manchester that's like London is Chorlton, which is like Camden Town. I happen to like London anyway, so thanks for the compliment, nevertheless.

I thought you might.

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13 May 2012, 12:59 pm

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Tequila wrote:

I like the idea of direct democracy, except that many British people put such faith in the newspapers that it would give even more power to the media barons such as Rupert Murdoch.

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13 May 2012, 2:36 pm

ICY wrote:

I like the idea of direct democracy, except that many British people put such faith in the newspapers that it would give even more power to the media barons such as Rupert Murdoch.

A direct democracy is a political cluster-f*ck in any sizable polity. It is un-manageable. How many unqualified people does it take to change a light bulb?

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