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09 Jun 2012, 1:13 pm

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The US pursues it's interests in the world as it exists. Plus, we were the leading western faction during the cold war. Russia was snapping up any client states that we didnt get. Collective security was and is an axiom in the West.

In terms of deals, almost all nations make deals with dictators. That's the world.


The US has also given wepons the terrorists even supported the IRA at one point.



The US didnt help the IRA as far as I know. Irish Americans who lived in the US sent money to them. That's not government policy. And when we helped the Mujahudeen in Afghanistan, they were rebels fighting our cold war enemy. It took them a decade or more for some to morph into terrorists.

We may well be supporting bombing and assasination campaigns in Iran but there is no hard evidence. And we supported rebels in Iraq pre Gulf 2. What you call them depends on which side you are on.


Pretty much this. Also following a trail of who we "support" is stupid. Lets look to the recent egyptian troubles. There was a famous case of someone finding american tear gas grenades being used by the egyptian government. This was seen as if we were directly supporting them (you know completely forgetting the aircraft carrier and squads of F15s overflying egypt ready to shoot down any attacking Egyptian airforce airplanes. Who knows how they got those grenades. They could have bought them long ago before any of this instability reached the point of cutting them off. They could have been bought through a middle man. Who really knows? All that did happen was blaming americans with no real proof.


We should stay out of other countries problems the US create a political mess in the middel east supporting brutal dictators.



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09 Jun 2012, 1:17 pm

Again. At the time they werent brutal dictators and we had a bigger problem. It was either support dictators or let them be demolished by the russians and turn their countries into future wargrounds. Hell, just look at the cuban missile crisis. imagine if we would have just let russia take over the middle east. The US was already in deep trouble with oil now imagine if the russians had taken it all over. Sometimes you have to do bad to prevent terrible



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09 Jun 2012, 1:20 pm

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Again. At the time they werent brutal dictators and we had a bigger problem. It was either support dictators or let them be demolished by the russians and turn their countries into future wargrounds. Hell, just look at the cuban missile crisis. imagine if we would have just let russia take over the middle east. The US was already in deep trouble with oil now imagine if the russians had taken it all over. Sometimes you have to do bad to prevent terrible


But we ended up paying for it it was a lose lose for the US they where gonna hate us and blame us period for doing that I mean we gave wepons to the taliban after the cold war terrorism started in the middel east.



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09 Jun 2012, 1:25 pm

Joker wrote:
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Again. At the time they werent brutal dictators and we had a bigger problem. It was either support dictators or let them be demolished by the russians and turn their countries into future wargrounds. Hell, just look at the cuban missile crisis. imagine if we would have just let russia take over the middle east. The US was already in deep trouble with oil now imagine if the russians had taken it all over. Sometimes you have to do bad to prevent terrible


But we ended up paying for it it was a lose lose for the US they where gonna hate us and blame us period for doing that I mean we gave wepons to the taliban after the cold war terrorism started in the middel east.


*sigh* This old chestnut.

If Cuba didn't feel so threatened by the U.S. and hadn't had such power problems with them, with dictatorships backed by them and being a virtual colony previously due to their contempt for democracy that doesn't happen to agree with them, then they never would have needed or wanted USSR rockets on the Island. It was purely a defensive move designed to deter the USA.


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09 Jun 2012, 1:27 pm

Kjas wrote:
Joker wrote:
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Again. At the time they werent brutal dictators and we had a bigger problem. It was either support dictators or let them be demolished by the russians and turn their countries into future wargrounds. Hell, just look at the cuban missile crisis. imagine if we would have just let russia take over the middle east. The US was already in deep trouble with oil now imagine if the russians had taken it all over. Sometimes you have to do bad to prevent terrible


But we ended up paying for it it was a lose lose for the US they where gonna hate us and blame us period for doing that I mean we gave wepons to the taliban after the cold war terrorism started in the middel east.


*sigh* This old chestnut.

If Cuba didn't feel so threatened by the U.S. and hadn't had such power problems with them previously, then they never would have needed or wanted USSR rockets on the Island. It was purely a defensive move designed to deter the USA.


That is really what it boils down to America needs to worry about America and stay out of other coutries problems.



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09 Jun 2012, 2:15 pm

Joker wrote:
Kjas wrote:
Joker wrote:
MXH wrote:
Again. At the time they werent brutal dictators and we had a bigger problem. It was either support dictators or let them be demolished by the russians and turn their countries into future wargrounds. Hell, just look at the cuban missile crisis. imagine if we would have just let russia take over the middle east. The US was already in deep trouble with oil now imagine if the russians had taken it all over. Sometimes you have to do bad to prevent terrible


But we ended up paying for it it was a lose lose for the US they where gonna hate us and blame us period for doing that I mean we gave wepons to the taliban after the cold war terrorism started in the middel east.


*sigh* This old chestnut.

If Cuba didn't feel so threatened by the U.S. and hadn't had such power problems with them previously, then they never would have needed or wanted USSR rockets on the Island. It was purely a defensive move designed to deter the USA.


That is really what it boils down to America needs to worry about America and stay out of other coutries problems.


Other countries problems affect america.



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09 Jun 2012, 2:44 pm

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It's funny because your religious beliefs also support dictatorship, with God being the dictator.


Ba-effen-zinga!! !! !! !! !! !! !

well played!! !! !! !! :lol: :lol:



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09 Jun 2012, 3:27 pm

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It's funny because your religious beliefs also support dictatorship, with God being the dictator.


Ba-effen-zinga!! !! !! !! !! !! !

well played!! !! !! !! :lol: :lol:


Go troll else where unless your gonna contribute to the thread.



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09 Jun 2012, 4:02 pm

I'm not sure I'd consider all of these people dictators. Few of them were democratically elected and left office peacefully. Some were reformers that transitioned their countries to democracies as well. Dictator is just a really blanketed term for all these guys. There's a big difference between someone like Pol Pot and Alberto Fujimori.



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09 Jun 2012, 4:03 pm

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I'm not sure I'd consider all of these people dictators. Few of them were democratically elected and left office peacefully. Some were reformers that transitioned their countries to democracies as well. Dictator is just a really blanketed term for all these guys. There's a big difference between someone like Pol Pot and Alberto Fujimori.


True but I didn't make the list I found it on a website how ever you can be democratically elected and turn into a dictator Hitler was democratically elected.



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09 Jun 2012, 4:36 pm

Texas is another dictatorship that the US supports.

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09 Jun 2012, 6:22 pm

MXH wrote:
Joker wrote:
Kjas wrote:
Joker wrote:
MXH wrote:
Again. At the time they werent brutal dictators and we had a bigger problem. It was either support dictators or let them be demolished by the russians and turn their countries into future wargrounds. Hell, just look at the cuban missile crisis. imagine if we would have just let russia take over the middle east. The US was already in deep trouble with oil now imagine if the russians had taken it all over. Sometimes you have to do bad to prevent terrible


But we ended up paying for it it was a lose lose for the US they where gonna hate us and blame us period for doing that I mean we gave wepons to the taliban after the cold war terrorism started in the middel east.


*sigh* This old chestnut.

If Cuba didn't feel so threatened by the U.S. and hadn't had such power problems with them previously, then they never would have needed or wanted USSR rockets on the Island. It was purely a defensive move designed to deter the USA.


That is really what it boils down to America needs to worry about America and stay out of other coutries problems.


Other countries problems affect america.


How so?



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09 Jun 2012, 7:12 pm

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God is not a dictator

It does seem like an authoritarian regime.

When was the last time a vote prevented him of continuing with a decision?


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09 Jun 2012, 7:36 pm

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God is not a dictator

It does seem like an authoritarian regime.

When was the last time a vote prevented him of continuing with a decision?


Of course a atheist would have this view how ever members of a religion do not agree with this. Statement it is a very poor opinion the way I see God is this. I see him as a father not a dictator nor is my religion a authoritarian regime. That is something a infidel/non believer thinks not the religious.



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09 Jun 2012, 7:41 pm

All dictators want to appear as a father figure, the ultimate alpha-male


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09 Jun 2012, 7:42 pm

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All dictators want to appear as a father figure, the ultimate alpha-male


But I do not view God as a dictator I mean if some one is such a atheist why have a opinon on something they do not believe in?