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20 Jul 2012, 11:23 am

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PhD candidate at the University of Colorado. This is what he was enrolled as but he was withdrawing from the university. His major was neuroscience.


From the sound of it, his mother didn't sound too surprised.

Appears to be another one of those 'ticking time bombs'



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20 Jul 2012, 11:27 am

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PhD candidate at the University of Colorado. This is what he was enrolled as but he was withdrawing from the university. His major was neuroscience.


From the sound of it, his mother didn't sound too surprised.

Appears to be another one of those 'ticking time bombs'

Well then his mom should have done more to stop him.



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20 Jul 2012, 11:30 am

I just saw a report on the news, talking about the perpetrator, and how he seems to fit the profile of the "lone wolf." There was discussion of how these "lone wolves" may be driven to these violent acts as a result of the accumulation of pressure and suffering brought about by years of social isolation and bullying. They were saying that sometimes these socially isolated victims of bullying eventually snap and go on killing sprees. <sigh> How many of us here are socially isolated? How many of us are or have been victims of bullying? I would guess that's most of us. According to this news report we're all ticking time bombs. The world needs to watch out for us, because we're all potential killers. :roll:

I solemnly swear I have no intention of commiting any acts of violence against anyone, now, or in the future. I've never held a gun in my entire life, and I have no intention of ever doing so.


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20 Jul 2012, 11:33 am

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Jacoby wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
PhD candidate at the University of Colorado. This is what he was enrolled as but he was withdrawing from the university. His major was neuroscience.


From the sound of it, his mother didn't sound too surprised.

Appears to be another one of those 'ticking time bombs'

Well then his mom should have done more to stop him.


He was a 24 year old man and lived hundreds of miles away, if he was having a break from reality there is only so much his parents or anybody for that matter could do.



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20 Jul 2012, 11:33 am

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Thing with guns being illegal here is its not like people couldn't get them illegally......so all it would do is prevent more law abiding citizens from not being able to have one. I mean its not really the gun that was the culprit here, it was the person behind the trigger......and either they where just a nasty person in general or they were pushed to that point.


I honestly don't know why an ordinary citizen would want one, unless used for something like hunting. There is also home protection, but there are better ways of executing this than flat out shooting someone. I know its the people that are the problem, hence when I said "when in possession". Guns don't kill people, people do. If guns are deemed so necessary over there, even an improved review of those wanting to purchase fire arms could help keep them out of wrong hands. But even then it would probably still be fairly easy to get them through illegal means, if you know the right people

Anyone that can't get around ant state's gun laws probably isn't mentally competent to leave their home by themselves in the first place. I've met plenty of felons and people that were judicially committed (without charges) that used to get and carry guns to learn this...and that doesn't even cover all the ways to get them (gun shows were not a favored way to get them either). The fact of the matter is that the constitution is designed to make guns readily available and anything that might have a chance of cutting back the supply of guns to criminals will 1) be struck down as unconstitutional, 2) increase overall crime, and 3) leave criminals with almost as many guns as they started with.



Those constitutional rights about guns are a throwback from the revolutionary days.



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20 Jul 2012, 11:34 am

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I just saw a report on the news, talking about the perpetrator, and how he seems to fit the profile of the "lone wolf." There was discussion of how these "lone wolves" may be driven to these violent acts as a result of the accumulation of pressure and suffering brought about by years of social isolation and bullying. They were saying that sometimes these socially isolated victims of bullying eventually snap and go on killing sprees. <sigh> How many of us here are socially isolated? How many of us are or have been victims of bullying? I would guess that's most of us. According to this news report we're all ticking time bombs. The world needs to watch out for us, because we're all potential killers. :roll:

I solemnly swear I have no intention of commiting any acts of violence against anyone, now, or in the future. I've never held a gun in my entire life, and I have no intention of ever doing so.

But he doesn't. He is good looking and a PhD candidate. How can anyone call this guy a loner? I can almost guarantee the guy wasn't bullied. I bet he just became obsessed with guns and the far right, his obsession interfered with his school work, he began to fail so he decided to withdraw from school. If you see a picture of the guy, the last thing that comes to mind is "loner." He is attractive and looks like the type that has friends. He looks like the normal, good looking guy and up until now, sounds like he has had a charmed life.



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20 Jul 2012, 11:37 am

Jacoby wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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PhD candidate at the University of Colorado. This is what he was enrolled as but he was withdrawing from the university. His major was neuroscience.


From the sound of it, his mother didn't sound too surprised.

Appears to be another one of those 'ticking time bombs'

Well then his mom should have done more to stop him.


He was a 24 year old man and lived hundreds of miles away, if he was having a break from reality there is only so much his parents or anybody for that matter could do.

His mother could have very easily alerted the authorities in Colorado and given them the heads up. Who knows how many times this happens irl preventing these types of incidents? People around the person can generally tell they are too obsessed with violence and guns and have a feeling the person will do something violent yet some of these knowers choose to remain silent, failing to warn others.

And it looks like James Holmes drew inspiration from the terrorist who attacked the Israelis on the bus, wearing a gas mask and using the same MO as the terrorist. I just realized this.



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20 Jul 2012, 11:47 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
PhD candidate at the University of Colorado. This is what he was enrolled as but he was withdrawing from the university. His major was neuroscience.


From the sound of it, his mother didn't sound too surprised.

Appears to be another one of those 'ticking time bombs'

Well then his mom should have done more to stop him.


He was a 24 year old man and lived hundreds of miles away, if he was having a break from reality there is only so much his parents or anybody for that matter could do.

His mother could have very easily alerted the authorities in Colorado and given them the heads up. Who knows how many times this happens irl preventing these types of incidents? People around the person can generally tell they are too obsessed with violence and guns and have a feeling the person will do something violent yet some of these knowers choose to remain silent, failing to warn others.

And it looks like James Holmes drew inspiration from the terrorist who attacked the Israelis on the bus, wearing a gas mask and using the same MO as the terrorist. I just realized this.


It's all speculation at this point but there really isn't much you can do when somebody hasn't done anything yet. The Virginia Tech shooter had no history of violence IIRC although obviously mentally ill.



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20 Jul 2012, 11:50 am

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But he doesn't. He is good looking and a PhD candidate. How can anyone call this guy a loner? I can almost guarantee the guy wasn't bullied. I bet he just became obsessed with guns and the far right, his obsession interfered with his school work, he began to fail so he decided to withdraw from school. If you see a picture of the guy, the last thing that comes to mind is "loner." He is attractive and looks like the type that has friends. He looks like the normal, good looking guy and up until now, sounds like he has had a charmed life.


I didn't get the impression that he was a loner, either. However, there was a whole segment on ABC news regarding the profile of the "lone wolf" killer. He probably isn't a lone wolf type. However, that seems to be the spin this particular media outlet is putting on the situation. Apparently, the "lone wolf" is a convenient scapegoat.


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20 Jul 2012, 11:53 am

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
But he doesn't. He is good looking and a PhD candidate. How can anyone call this guy a loner? I can almost guarantee the guy wasn't bullied. I bet he just became obsessed with guns and the far right, his obsession interfered with his school work, he began to fail so he decided to withdraw from school. If you see a picture of the guy, the last thing that comes to mind is "loner." He is attractive and looks like the type that has friends. He looks like the normal, good looking guy and up until now, sounds like he has had a charmed life.


I didn't get the impression that he was a loner, either. However, there was a whole segment on ABC news regarding the profile of the "lone wolf" killer. He probably isn't a lone wolf type. However, that seems to be the spin this particular media outlet is putting on the situation. Apparently, the "lone wolf" is a convenient scapegoat.

Honestly, from what it looks like, he is simply a spoiled rich kid. His mother is asking for privacy she issued a statement. Its not about the victims and what they have endured, it's making sure her and her relatives are not shown on television, their names are not released, and information is not known. It's all about them.



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20 Jul 2012, 11:56 am

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The crazies will always find ways to get guns. Sigh.


don't you mean the psychos, not everyone who's 'crazy' wants to go shooting people you know.


Yes, you're right. Sorry. I suppose I didn't mean it in such a specific way... I don't consider people with mental health disorders (myself being one) crazy, I consider people who shoot up random places crazy. No offense intended.


Well honestly in a way you are right though because I think anyone could be pushed to the point of doing something horrible like that...not that people with mental disorders would want to. But then not everyone who does something like that was actually pushed to any breaking point. It just pisses me off what happened at my school and I hate that the media sometimes tries to jump on the mental illness thing as if mental disorders make one want to things like that.


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20 Jul 2012, 12:05 pm

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I can almost guarantee the guy wasn't bullied. I bet he just became obsessed with guns and the far right, his obsession interfered with his school work, he began to fail so he decided to withdraw from school.


That's as much speculation as anyone's until there's enough information about that.
It's really easy to blame anything on the far right, and giving it a political dimension.

He does look a lot like a friend of mine. If he had shorter hair and a more square face, I could mistake him for that friend of mine.



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20 Jul 2012, 12:18 pm

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I can almost guarantee the guy wasn't bullied. I bet he just became obsessed with guns and the far right, his obsession interfered with his school work, he began to fail so he decided to withdraw from school.


That's as much speculation as anyone's until there's enough information about that.
It's really easy to blame anything on the far right, and giving it a political dimension.

He does look a lot like a friend of mine. If he had shorter hair and a more square face, I could mistake him for that friend of mine.

James Holmes is a Tea Party member. It is what it is. He signed up so why is it no one is supposed to mention something James Holmes did? It's not a made up lie about him.



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20 Jul 2012, 12:22 pm

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James Holmes is a Tea Party member. It is what it is. He signed up so why is it no one is supposed to mention something James Holmes did? It's not a made up lie about him.


I had not yet received that information. I still have yet to find anything about it anywhere.
What bothers me, though, is that you call it an obsession. You'd be best off arresting millions of people before they murder millions of other people.



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20 Jul 2012, 12:30 pm

That Jim Holmes is somebody completely different, 52 year old man and of no relation. This shooter was not a Tea Party member AFAIK.



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20 Jul 2012, 12:32 pm

It's not just an obsession about guns which I don't see as a problem, for the most part. But, an obsession with things like the Columbine shooting and the terrorist attack that happened in Bulgaria which has some things in common with this and various other crimes over the years and not just an obsession with those crimes but a justification of them. Something like, "those people were pushed over the edge having to put up with jerks and I would do the same thing if I were treated that way," or "its cool they had the guts to do it." That kind of response to these crimes I think is indicative of who will go on these rampages. Like, if someone says, "it's disgusting that some creep would do something like this without any conscience but people should still have the right to own guns," that's the kind of response, imo, that indicates the person is thinking rationally. It's the one who applaud and condone this type of behavior that are the ones that should be profiled imo and if you look on the internet, you will see an odd person out every now and then who tries to find meaning and justification in these types of occurrences. They are not thinking straight.