What do MRAs have against France or the beach?

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(1)First thank you for calling me cute.
Notwithstanding your affection for me I have to point out that this last paragraph is rife with logical and factual errors.
Although the paternity of humans is only about 90% I am the presumed father of two daughters I vaguely remember copulating with both of their mothers. but more importantly how and because on the internet no one knows you are a dog. Virgin is not exactly compatible with have butt buddies or does gay sex not count?
(2)This is a straw man or requires conspiracy thinking feminists say they are for equality I take them at their word.
(3) because it is the good thing to do. Morality is pretty much defined as not being a dick in situations when being a dick is in your self interest. A first century bce rabbi once said

I didn't even bother to read your reply as it is full of BS(INB4 No ur posts are BS).
What I notice is that when you are unable to make a cogent rebuttal, you resort to ridicule. Because you perceive me as violating some cardinal social rule that I as a man am not allowed to criticize women's behavior or pass judgement on them.


What cracks me up is your asinine, ret*d assumption that people with a political agenda should be taken at their word and not further scrutinized. I don't take those who have an agenda at the word because I realize that ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. Many feminists and their apologists in this forum have been presented with counterexamples to the feminist claim that their true objective is gender equality. Right-wing conservatives are equally dishonest about what they say they believe in and what policies that actually implement when they're elected into office.

Why even bother arguing if you refuse to read what the opposition has to say

Far left normally describes the communists, anarchists and other such groups, none of which are liberal. There are people left of Clinton, and this group is called the left. Use your terms right.

Feminist don't want to be treated better than men. I may disagree with what they diagnose as injustice towards them, but it does not mean their objective is to be better than men, just equal. There are certainly people who see more injustice than others, but the claim is for greater equality still. Don't redefine feminism. Feminism is equal rights.

It's called sarcasm, dude. I've heard what the opposition has to say already ITT and it's nothing but personal insults and ridicule attempts.

Furthermore, the world doesn't run on honesty. And if I took the time to list every example I'd be awake for more than 24 hours. I get sick of people who say one thing and do another and I deal with these people every day online and offline. Talk is cheap. If you truly believe in equality, then go out there and ACT on it! Deeds make the difference, words are meaningless....and forgetable

Definitions are superfluous unless the actions of people who define themselves that way live up to their definitions. Besides, 21st century feminism is not monolithic. There are many different factions, and some of those factions do NOT want equality. I don't care how many times or how vociferously you claim that feminism is about equal rights. Until you show me the evidence, and until I see some solid proof that they practice what they preach, I call BS.

I am confused you say you did not read my reply but then you talk about things I said.
Does someone else read you my replies?

You are bad at understanding actions I am too it is part of being an aspie.
Case in point you consistently misread my argument s. (or have them misread to you or possibly mishear them as they are correctly read to you )

(1) you presented cherry-picked decontexualized rubbish. Not robust counter examples. But more importantly examples that no one in this forum has views remotely connected to.

to speak in analogy it is as if at a party folks were discussing which Beatle they liked best and you kept yelling Valerie Solanas hates men.

You are making up opponents that don't exist and then pretending to argue with them.
Almost as if they were made of straw ... I have something here... nope lost it.

There are certainly extremist in any movement. They should not be used to alter the reality of the core movement itself.

Actually, I would rather see you show me that they want anything but equal rights/equal status/equal everything -- in general, not just specific examples of insane extremists. If we are to look at extremists, we can easily come to the conclusion that every political group is psychotic.

I think you're just being lazy about it because you have made up your mind on this topic like most other self-proclaimed "Men's Rights Activists". I think you are arguing against a conceptualized stereotype opponent rather than JakobVirgil

I did read your entire post. I do not know anyone who sanctifies women or treats them as superior. It seems to me that you are repeating what you heard someone else say on the subject.

Are there nuts everywhere? Yes. Are they typical. No.

Hilarious thread and grump list. As an American woman I now feel the urge to take a scented candle to a beach in France and burn it to scare away men and also to provide ample lighting while I fill out an absentee ballot for Obama. Then I will eat too many pastries.

Two points:
first, second-wave feminism was the feminism of the baby boomers, and does not represent the majority of feminists today; in particular, very few gen-x and younger feminists consider themselves second-wave or fit within that description.
second, treating people equally when they come from a position of institutionalized inequality only retrenches and reinforces that inequality. If, for example, I were competing for a grad school position against a young woman who had the exact same grades and achievements as me, but who grew up in the Bronx as the daughter of black immigrant parents with less than high-school educations, she should get the position because she almost certainly worked harder than me and/or was smarter than me for her to get to the same level, given that I came from a white, middle-class background. For us to be judged equally (say, on personality alone) would be to ignore the fact that she has come farther in her life in order to reach the same current place.

Yes, women occasionally say intemperate things about men and society. These examples are ancient, however.... Shall I head on over to the Men's Rights subforum on Reddit for some of the modern male equivalents?

The presence of a couple of radical feminist blogs on the internet does not mean that all feminists are radical, much less that the progressive movement as a whole worships women, any more than the existence of Stormfront means that all whites are racist or the existence of World Nut Daily means that all conservatives are rabid conspiracy theorists.

You simultaneously admit that feminism is not monolithic, and tar the entirety of feminism with the most radical of brushes.

Just so you're aware LKL: I am very much in favor of affirmative action. Especially given the fact that there are far too few affirmative action programs to help aspies get jobs. However, I favor affirmative action in terms of employment rather than in education. I wish the US had a university system like Finland where there is an entrance exam that EVERY applicant must take and score high enough in order to get in. There is also an analog of the american GRE which requires a minimum score for admission to graduate programs. It matters not what your background is there, no exceptions are made for anyone. That IMO is academia should work.

There are all these affirmative action programs for minorities in academia, but then when they get out they can't find work cuz often they've been studying too hard to get any kind of internships or job experience!

That is one of my biggest gripes though: Affirmative action for women exists and there are sooooo many opportunities for post gen-x women but there are NONE for aspies!

Janissy wins the thread IMNSHO

I really can't find it in me to respect aspie women who are more loyal to their gender then to other aspies!



2nd wave feminism has proven to be very divisive when feminists try to recruit women from other minority groups in the sense that it turns those women against men in the same group. This seem to be especially true of aspies. Aspie women are brainwashed by feminists into accusing aspie men of "oppressing" them with "sexism/misogyny". *facepalm*